40 comments

  • 0c3ca83 4 minutes ago

    For responsibile learning, focus on pencil, paper, and books.

  • gdulli a minute ago

    A big part of this era is a shift to de-anonymizing all search, research, etc. That should be seen as its own problem separate from one's feelings about AI.

  • vaibhavarduino 20 minutes ago
  • HelloMcFly 3 minutes ago

    The changed title on this post is problematic.

  • account42 28 minutes ago

    Hopefully this will backfire and end with kids learning to use other search engines.

  • messh 28 minutes ago

    How is this not monopolistic behavior?

      silverFork 4 minutes ago

      Their search engine is now integrated with Ai. So either google would need to block the search engine or the school if they don't want Ai. Take your pick.

  • tikkabhuna 25 minutes ago

    It will be interesting to see what search engine students start using. I still use Google because that's what I used at school.

      6thbit 11 minutes ago

      I think that's the largest shortsightedness of google's choice.

      All those kids will get used to whatever other search they can use.

  • ceejayoz 19 minutes ago

    I really don't like that my original submission "Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I." from the New York Times got replaced with "Designing responsible AI for learning" PR slop from Google Corporate that doesn't even disclose this limitation.

    If the mods are gonna Orwell this, at least take my name off it.

  • MetalBreaksAndB 36 minutes ago

    I wonder if schools will manage to filter this. Probably on windows , but I'm less sure on chromebooks.

      xhkkffbf 20 minutes ago

      The students can just log in with a generic Gmail account using a incognito tab.

        ceejayoz 16 minutes ago

        That's often blocked on school-provided devices.

  • TazeTSchnitzel 27 minutes ago

    This comes off as comically evil. Disabling the AI summaries in search results is trivial, so them refusing to do so and blocking search entirely feels like a blatant attempt at coercion. Isn't it an abuse of monopoly power?

      nsoam 23 minutes ago

      That would make sense if the AI summaries from Search were a different product.

        jdiff 17 minutes ago

        These summaries have been trivially bolted on, they're entirely self-contained, they can be easily turned off.

          Hamuko a minute ago

          [delayed]

          nsoam 10 minutes ago

          Some results also have thumbnails. They could easily be turned off. That doesn’t mean thumbnails are a different product, or an abuse of monopoly power.

  • demo4567 29 minutes ago

    good riddance. it is useless anyways

  • jlev1 31 minutes ago

    > If a school has banned A.I., he [Chris Phillips, vice president for education at Google] added, students “will not have access to search, and they’ll see a message from their school that indicates it’s not available.”

    So scummy! Make it sound like the school's decision, rather than Google's.

      bluefirebrand 28 minutes ago

      Sad to see Google's playbook become "be as evil as possible"

      I know they removed "don't be evil" a while ago now, but they didn't have to immediately become the exact opposite

  • elmcrest 29 minutes ago

    so what? there are alternatives... and who still googles nowadays anyways :)

  • Catloafdev 29 minutes ago

    They've come a long way from 'don't be evil'

      krunck 24 minutes ago

      "Don't" isn't all that far, it's just one word.

  • djoldman 28 minutes ago

    As usual, the truth is a little less clickbaity. It's just opt-in:

    https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/educatio...

    > We believe schools should have control over AI in their classrooms and in providing administrators with controls to help them manage their approach. After listening to schools, teachers, leading researchers, and policymakers, we are now updating our approach to controls for Gemini, Gemini Notebook, Gemini in Classroom, and Google Search. Access to these products will be entirely off for K-12 student accounts until school administrators explicitly turn them on.

      6thbit 20 minutes ago

      Google blog says search will be off by default, alongside Gemini stuff.

      And NYT says they would only be able to turn search on if they enable all of the Gemini stuff. That is not mentioned explicitly on google's blog. So not _that_ clickbaity?

      kccqzy 19 minutes ago

      > … and Google Search. Access to these products will be entirely off for K-12 student accounts until school administrators explicitly turn them on.

      So yeah the blog post says Google Search itself will be entirely off until being turned on. There’s nothing in this blog post to indicate whether Google Search can be turned on without also turning on Gemini. Although I hate the NYT, the NYT is quoting someone from Google saying there won’t be separate controls for Gemini and Google Search.

      dan_thinks 21 minutes ago

      From the article, Google AI is deeply integrated with Google Search. So the article is correct - turning off one turns off the other.

      From a privacy perspective, having all of this off by default is sensible. But only offering a basic product like Search if you opt into AI (when search as a capability does not need AI to function) - is newsworthy.

      shostack 26 minutes ago

      Does Google tie Gemini access for schools to their ability to train on the data and use it for ads and measurement like they have done to Android if you want to do anything halfway useful you used to do with Assistant before they killed it?

      ceejayoz 26 minutes ago

      > A.I. features are now a standard part of Google’s commercially available search engine. “Search and A.I. are deeply integrated,” said Chris Phillips, vice president for education at Google. If a school has banned A.I., he added, students “will not have access to search, and they’ll see a message from their school that indicates it’s not available.”

      C'mon, it's right in the article.

      The school can control AI on/off. Off means no search too.

      john_strinlai 24 minutes ago

      the problem is that it's bundled.

      you either get search + all the ai stuff, or you get none of it. you can't just opt-in to search alone.

      (in other words, title is accurate. block ai = no search)

  • krunck 25 minutes ago
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      randomNumber7 28 minutes ago

      Get "uBlock origin" bro and ads go away. Also you can click the archive link that op posted and read it there without paywall.

  • jeffbee 7 minutes ago

    It isn't possible for Google to run a websearch query "without AI" and it hasn't been for over 10 years.

      morkalork 3 minutes ago

      Would you agree that there is a difference between "search results ranked by AI" and "Magic box that blurts out an answer"?

      We do want to teach kids how to do searches, to look at and parse results and basically do "online research", right. Not just blindly trust the magic answer box?

  • OroPla 24 minutes ago

    What do schools need Google for anyway? Had education deteriorated this much already?

  • nilamo 15 minutes ago

    This is great! Google search has been declining in usefulness so much, that it shouldn't be used by students anyway. And then there's the shitty ai summaries, which students definitely shouldn't have to worry about whether or not it's accurate.