23 comments

  • kjshsh123 2 minutes ago

    I guess Trump is going to have to stop bragging now about the US government buying Intel stock.

  • anonymous908213 42 minutes ago

    Huh, I'm used to "stock collapses" headlines being a 2% daily fluctuation. Actually down 50% over the past month. But then again, up 50% over the past year. Sure is great when stocks of companies that are foundationally important to the world economy are being traded like meme stocks.

      dyauspitr 5 minutes ago

      Im still bullish on them at this price though. The terafab (already under construction) collab with Elon and 14A being the most powerful chip when they get it right has a lot of potential.

      quixoticelixer- 40 minutes ago

      I'm not sure it's quite like a meme stock, it's dropping because their earnings were below what was expected.

      DiabloD3 40 minutes ago

      Intel isn't important though.

        anonymous908213 37 minutes ago

        It only runs, what, 90% of PCs, laptops, and servers in the world?

          impulser_ 31 minutes ago

          Maybe a decade ago, but they have lost market share every year since and currently sits around 60% and it still decreasing.

          piyh 8 minutes ago

          The entire consumer laptop market is about four data centers

            anonymous908213 6 minutes ago

            Which one would the world miss more if disappeared overnight?

          Vaushite 29 minutes ago

          PCs are like 5% of computing devices. Very important for business offices but not outside of that niche. And mass amounts of servers can be adapted to whatever is cheapest. Google wouldn't insist on AMD64 - they'd port to ARM if ARM was cheaper. And if you do want AMD64, AMD currently makes better AMD64 chips.

          esseph 21 minutes ago

          Nah they've been "out of fashion" for 5+ years, and in that time AMD took their datacenter crown, which was also encroached on by various ARM hyperscaler systems.

  • small_model 6 minutes ago

    The genesis of this is when Apple moved from Intel to their own chips.

      zamadatix 4 minutes ago

      That's just one small event along the way, one that occurred many years after Intel started slipping enough for long enough that an iPhone was more powerful than an Intel laptop and after Intel's fabs failed to produce a useful new generation many generations in a row and after Intel acquired many companies just to spin down their products and after...

  • jmclnx an hour ago

    The big question I have, why isn't Nvidia's stock falling quickly ? Nvidia's GPUs are the most in demand chip for AI. Seems Nvidia stock is also falling, but not as much. I would think it would fall almost as quickly as Intel.

    I wonder if something else is happening to Intel

    Nvidia Stock:

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NVDA/

    Intel Stock:

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/INTC/

      cowlevel 12 minutes ago

      Because people are buying Nvidia products way more than Intel products, one would think. Nvidia owns the whole AI movement. Intel doesn't.

      motbus3 5 minutes ago

      I understand nothing but I want to join the conversation.

      It seems to me that nvidia bubble is still to burst. There is a trust me bro circle where Nvidia somehow sold GPU to itself so it can host someone else's models. Maybe three years ago or a little more they announced they plan to move away from consumer end and focus on cloud. Back then it did not make much sense because everybody though "how the f Nvidia will manage clouds like AWS?" And their business model seems to me that it is a shared risk model where Nvidia don't "own" the cloud but pay for its GPU to have that market share. I think it would make much sense if the thin layer those, how did the greedy musk said, neocloud/cloudfronts or whatever, were not so brittle due to the lack of market demand.

      I have the impression they had a gold strategy for them but for some reason they rushed it too much and now they broke the market before they could profit from it.

      I can imagine that if they didn't hoard their own resources to create scarcity artificiality, they would possibly have a stronger position in the market. I can only think they did this because (A) they know the current government will bail them out and (B) someone was worried that China could hoard those GPUs first.

      But as I said, I don't understand much of the topic, but it seems to me they are try to get as much money as soon as possible and that looks scam-ish to me. They all put investment rounds too close to each other, started creating concerning stories and "rogue" AIs at the same time. Maybe I'm being too paranoid, but so far those guys have been pulling some hat tricks and I think I know who will pay the bill

      jhallenworld an hour ago

      A better comparison is probably AMD, since they also make server CPUs.

      https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/AMD/

      I figured the current owners of INTC stock are betting on the success of their fab business.. I think that's still to play out.

      serf an hour ago

      the markets that Intel focuses on have larger/easier freedom of choice for the consumers, for one.

      things are changing but there is a sort of "no one ever got fired for using nvidia for inference." thing going on.

        spwa4 41 minutes ago

        Nvidia is still the only game in town for training at scale, and the fastest for inference (plus, at scale, the cheapest for inference, as hard as that sounds to believe)

          impulser_ 28 minutes ago

          I think both Google and AMD both prove this is not true anymore.

            cowlevel 11 minutes ago

            To use Google chips you have to be Google, and AMD continues snatching defeat from the jaws of victory with almost every executive decision.

              bryanlarsen 4 minutes ago

              Anthropic and OpenAI both use large numbers of Google Tensor chips.

          LeFantome 35 minutes ago

          Unless your town is in China