I will no longer upload to NEW

53 points | by edward an hour ago

7 comments

  • monsieurbanana 5 minutes ago

    I'm not anti-ai but I am firmly anti-make-people-read-llm-output-I-didn't-read-myself, and this breaks this.

    They also have a reward system that punishes people for ignoring the llm review (by pushing their submission lower in the queue).

  • cadamsdotcom 3 minutes ago

    This is a strongly phrased message but the problem could be solved with an opt-out.

    Even something as simple as writing the phrase "No LLMs please" somewhere in the upload, that if present, prevents LLMs being triggered. Nothing elaborate and it preserves the default-on behavior the team seems to want.

  • disiplus 9 minutes ago

    I don't think there's another way. Everybody is being spammed with Gen AI outputs and the only even to it seems like a paradox way to fight it is with LLMs of some kind or go around it like what the EU is trying to do with watermarking and then detect AI and have different processing for it. I kinda think we could end up there, but we are still not there.

      monsieurbanana a minute ago

      Does debian's NEW queue actually have this issue? Not anyone can just upload to it, you have to be a debian developer or maintainer AFAIK.

      voidUpdate 4 minutes ago

      The other way is not to spam someone with LLM-generated outputs, and actually review the package

  • tommica 8 minutes ago

    > spend my valuable developer time (this is my free time)...

    Lesson for us all is that if we do not own the thing/project/etc, things can suddenly change without our decision, and all time we put into it might become a waste-of-effort retroactively

  • louwrentius 10 minutes ago

    I’m still sad that Debian is now integrating (external?) LLM in the build process which seems antithetical to the core values of Debian (as pointed out).

    There is no alternative to Debian for me. I’m ready to justy throw out all my computers and become a goat herder at this point.

    PS I’ll remove memory and storage from said computers to pay for land and goats before I chuck them out of my window.