16 comments

  • buckleyourshoe 22 minutes ago

    Competition drives prices down. We tried Kimi and GLM models after hitting 'cybersecurity' blocks on OpenAI and Anthropic. We found them to be much cheaper to access and helped us complete our work without 'cybersecurity' refusals blocking us.

  • hauntingseaweed 12 minutes ago

    Price war. Duh. There is no moat. Also them chinese competition. It’s going to be race to the bottom. It’s gonna be ugly for the stock market. Good for consumers though!

      SugarReflex 9 minutes ago

      Can they do the same thing with fuel prices?

        dymk a few seconds ago

        Solar panels (which get cheaper every year) on my house makes charging my low-TCO EV free in 5 years

        dwattttt 7 minutes ago

        If you make it easy for lots of people to make the fuel, yes. EVs and smaller scale power generation anyone?

        YetAnotherNick 6 minutes ago

        Yes if China somehow gets the fuel and subsidize it to sell it for cheaper in the global world, even the gulf state price will go down.

      3eb7988a1663 8 minutes ago

      Just wait until the government ban on the dangerous open models materializes.

  • gum_wobble 22 minutes ago

    Because they have found a way that cost them less to have you use a lesser capable model o less expensive

  • verdverm 37 minutes ago

    I fully expect token vendors to go the way of mobile data providers. Increasing throughput and efficiency, yet commoditized and not reaping the massive rewards of the economic gains their technologies enable.

    Can't wait for the unlimited plans we will have in due time.

      Iolaum 33 minutes ago

      They will not come. You can only spend so much time speaking on the phone.

      But if you get unlimited tokens, with scheduled/automated jobs and subagents you will burn a LOT of money.

        JumpCrisscross 16 minutes ago

        > if you get unlimited tokens, with scheduled/automated jobs and subagents you will burn a LOT of money

        Maybe, maybe not. There could be a saturation point of compute demand from ordinary consumers. (See: hot-water analogy.)

        Skunkleton 18 minutes ago

        "Unlimited" for a consumer will probably take a form like limited parallel agents at max intelligence for X amount of tokens, followed by either single threaded agents or nerfed intelligence or both.

        This is the same mechanism used in unlimited mobile internet for example.

        verdverm 30 minutes ago

        Mobile video data and tethered devices would tell a different story. Usage growth has been significant.

        I expect they will be "unlimited" in the same sense the mobile / ISPs do that 99% of people never reach the limits.

        We could have "unlimited" electricity too, if we choose, by printing solar panels (like the Chinese) and hopefully fusion before long.

        ModernMech 24 minutes ago

        > You can only spend so much time speaking on the phone.

        Tell that to my dial up modem as I played Active Worlds in 1996.

          boredatoms 14 minutes ago

          Yeu were still limited to about 4GiB/month usage as a time/bandwidth ceiling

      bikvfeee 14 minutes ago

      > Can't wait for the unlimited plans we will have in due time.

      I don't see how this can happen. The cost of serving a model grows linearly with use (energy). The cost of serving a mobile data plan is approximately zero.