Not a big fan since we now only get 2 links a month,
But it would have been easier to relocate to the border in Tahoe than fill out mountains of paperwork; he lives on an estate in a Maui bunker anyway, not spoilt for housing options...
Not very good with building technology; he lost 80 billion on a nonexistent metaverse fail. Is that now a tax loss?
If the stockholders are OK with it, who's to say otherwise?
I do think it would be a good idea to look at additional regulation regarding the public companies that pension and major index funds can invest in. I'm not crazy about being forced to own Musk properties just because I hold an S&P index, for example.
Yes since Zuck controls the board and negotiators he effectively dealt this outcome to himself, to large degree. Obviously "the shareholders" in a general sense have limited interest protecting the dual class structure.
I understand it's a move to keep his voting shares but... Why would the board care if the Zuck was to sell his big house in California? What was the threat to Meta/the board?
He owns enough shares that there would be a significant change in the supply/demand ratio when California forces him to sell to meet his tax burden. That would tank the stock price because way too much supply when he tries to sell.
So basically meta stepped in to say they'd pay a portion of zucks tax burden to protect the supply/demand ratio of the stock, which protects the overall market price of Facebook stock and the valuation of the company as a whole.
Wealth taxes are inherently stupid in our modern financial system and this is a clear example of why.
Is this hyperbole? Or did you actually look into details? I'm curious about your understanding of what happened here. I believe this is an exchange of share types, but I could be mistaken.
They gave every shareholder a non-voting share for each share they own. Effectively a stock split. Zuck can sell his non-voting shares to pay the tax without losing control of the company.
In some sense Meta has doubled the voting power of Zuckerberg's shares. Previously he had X shares with 10X votes. Now he has 2X shares, can sell half of them for close to the market price, and still keep his 10X votes.
"The board establishes a new Class C share type with no votes. It also announces a one-time dividend of a Class C share for each Class A and B share outstanding".
But they aren't "shielding" him really. They are just making it possible for him to pay the tax by selling shares in the company without giving up voting shares...
I mean maybe that is "shielding" but it's not like they are getting him out of paying the tax if it passes
The point of the law is to reduce the power of billionaires. Billionaires Using their power to change the rules and systemically avoid loss of power using a mechanisim available to literally nobody else is pretty much the antithesis of this idea.
The point of the law was to generate money for the state to fund the same mistakes France and GB are currently reeling from. Reducing power had nothing to do with it.
I guess only pirate billionaires born on 3rd base can imagine being this craven and petty.
My man renamed the damn corp to "Meta" and proceeded to YOLO nearly triple digit billions USD on fire, shamelessly pivots to AI like all the other bros, while holding a solid majority of voting stock, and now we have to listen to him and his pals complain they might have to give something back.
Well then, you haven’t really read what the situation is, have you?
He is going to pay, he just didn’t want to sell his normal shares, so he doesn’t lose his voting control. So instead, they are creating new class of shares that he can sell to pay the taxes.
Not a big fan since we now only get 2 links a month,
But it would have been easier to relocate to the border in Tahoe than fill out mountains of paperwork; he lives on an estate in a Maui bunker anyway, not spoilt for housing options...
Not very good with building technology; he lost 80 billion on a nonexistent metaverse fail. Is that now a tax loss?
Public companies shouldn’t be allowed to have super majority shareholders that rule like a king.
If the stockholders are OK with it, who's to say otherwise?
I do think it would be a good idea to look at additional regulation regarding the public companies that pension and major index funds can invest in. I'm not crazy about being forced to own Musk properties just because I hold an S&P index, for example.
Shareholders are morons*. That's why the SEC was established in the first place.
*Source: am a moron.
They don’t have voting rights anyway. They are more like fans than stock holders
They can buy and sell the stock. If they weren't okay with it, they could not buy, or sell if they already own.
Yes since Zuck controls the board and negotiators he effectively dealt this outcome to himself, to large degree. Obviously "the shareholders" in a general sense have limited interest protecting the dual class structure.
Comments:
Guardian: Meta strikes deal with Zuckerberg to protect him from California wealth tax (39 points, 2 days ago, 33 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50193581
Wired: Mark Zuckerberg Agrees to Stay in California Despite Billionaires' Tax Measure (5 points, 2 days ago, 3 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50188801
Telegraph: Meta strikes deal to protect Zuckerberg from California billionaire tax (9 points, 2 days ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50191129
WSJ: Mark Zuckerberg Threatened to Leave California. Meta’s Board Cut Him a Deal (4 points, 2 days ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50193052 (30 points, 1 day ago, 40 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50199284
https://archive.ph/2Dyp0
We don't have to post hyperbole or speculation (there's social media for that.) This is a public company, we can read public documents such as...
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1326801/000162828026...
NOTE: Look for "Founder Alignment Agreement" in the above doc as an example if you're doing a quick scan.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1326801/000162828026...
https://investor.atmeta.com/investor-news/press-release-deta...
I understand it's a move to keep his voting shares but... Why would the board care if the Zuck was to sell his big house in California? What was the threat to Meta/the board?
He owns enough shares that there would be a significant change in the supply/demand ratio when California forces him to sell to meet his tax burden. That would tank the stock price because way too much supply when he tries to sell.
So basically meta stepped in to say they'd pay a portion of zucks tax burden to protect the supply/demand ratio of the stock, which protects the overall market price of Facebook stock and the valuation of the company as a whole.
Wealth taxes are inherently stupid in our modern financial system and this is a clear example of why.
The board doesn’t care. Zuckerberg has total control of Meta, so if he wants to increase his pay for whatever reason, he can.
That is all this is, a guy giving himself a pay increase, which almost everyone would if they could.
Alternative headline: "Man asks for raise because his taxes went up"
FWIW I think this is better than avoiding the tax.
Is this hyperbole? Or did you actually look into details? I'm curious about your understanding of what happened here. I believe this is an exchange of share types, but I could be mistaken.
They gave every shareholder a non-voting share for each share they own. Effectively a stock split. Zuck can sell his non-voting shares to pay the tax without losing control of the company.
In some sense Meta has doubled the voting power of Zuckerberg's shares. Previously he had X shares with 10X votes. Now he has 2X shares, can sell half of them for close to the market price, and still keep his 10X votes.
Where did you get this information? We know how this works. This is a public company. This all happens in the open.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1326801/000162828026...
Your SEC link says the exact same thing.
"The board establishes a new Class C share type with no votes. It also announces a one-time dividend of a Class C share for each Class A and B share outstanding".
Please tell me what I got wrong.
But they aren't "shielding" him really. They are just making it possible for him to pay the tax by selling shares in the company without giving up voting shares...
I mean maybe that is "shielding" but it's not like they are getting him out of paying the tax if it passes
The point of the law is to reduce the power of billionaires. Billionaires Using their power to change the rules and systemically avoid loss of power using a mechanisim available to literally nobody else is pretty much the antithesis of this idea.
I thought the point was to raise tax revenue from the people whose wealth increased the most.
The point of the law was to generate money for the state to fund the same mistakes France and GB are currently reeling from. Reducing power had nothing to do with it.
Cui bono?
Squishing the budget deficit for 1 cycle in 2 years.
I guess only pirate billionaires born on 3rd base can imagine being this craven and petty.
My man renamed the damn corp to "Meta" and proceeded to YOLO nearly triple digit billions USD on fire, shamelessly pivots to AI like all the other bros, while holding a solid majority of voting stock, and now we have to listen to him and his pals complain they might have to give something back.
Gross.
If you don't like the stock don't buy it.
What if I don't like the human
What if society doesn't like the company? We should be able to destroy it.
Well then, you haven’t really read what the situation is, have you?
He is going to pay, he just didn’t want to sell his normal shares, so he doesn’t lose his voting control. So instead, they are creating new class of shares that he can sell to pay the taxes.
if they are creating new class of shares, are they giving him this extra money from shareholders?
They did a stock split