DeepSeek-v4.1-Flash-1017

83 points | by theykk an hour ago

32 comments

  • waximabbax a minute ago

    Looks very impressive especially considering the price and speed. Let's wait for AA to confirm how well their benchmarks hold up.

  • ytxm 4 minutes ago

    It passed my threshold for not caring to try new models back with DS4, I use it for literally everything. Announcements of new models in the series always feel curious, because it doesn't really feel like there's much left to fix that would improve on what's already there for any task I know of.

    It's a bit like obsessing over patch releases of some software after a major upgrade already solved the original problem long ago.

      mmoustafa 2 minutes ago

      definitely could use less thinking time and lower token usage, which is what this bump is focused on

  • gmbhgmbh a minute ago

    Thank you deepseek, we are eating good today.

  • pmxi 30 minutes ago

    Hilarious sentence: "DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash-1017 is a minor update to DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash, delivering substantial improvements across reasoning, coding, agentic tasks, and visual benchmarks." (emphasis mine)

      jaynetics 15 minutes ago

      It's not really contradictory, minor changes can have major effects.

        mdp2021 a minute ago

        So they meant a "small" update.

      freakynit 28 minutes ago

      Kinda shows their team is more engineers than marketers.

      ReptileMan 8 minutes ago

      That is how exponential functions work. Improve every aspect of a system with 1% and you may get easily 50% more performance.

  • nik736 11 minutes ago

    Those are crazy numbers for a Flash model. Hopefully they can scale what they are doing to 4.1 Pro.

  • jononor 37 minutes ago

    Above GLM 5.3, nice! That is a very capable model. I do wish that we will see some smaller "flash" models again though - running this one locally is tough (very costly).

      LaurensBER 27 minutes ago

      For comparison, close to Opus 5. Far behind Sol 6.1 and Opus 5.5.

      Probably a pretty decent model for 90% of the usecases!

      I've been doing a lot of hobby work with GLM 5.3 Flash and I can count the amount of times that I need a stronger model on two hands.

      I have access to unlimited tokens at works and Opus is great but also often overkill if you know exactly what you need.

        egeozcan 14 minutes ago

        I use Opus for planning, through API on medium thinking, it doesn't cost anything significant and the rest can be happily done with deepseek or glm flash. Using sol 6.1 for review loops at the end. All running on pi.

        A very complex task tends to cost like 10$ max. It's comparable to a subscription with enormous flexibility.

        It's a steal.

      Pragmata 15 minutes ago

      Cant you run it on a pair of DGX spark? Sure it's expensive now, but at the initial retail price that was what, 8k in hardware? Not exactly unachievable

        bashtoni 7 minutes ago

        No, this is not a small model. I believe 4x Sparks is possible but 4.1 is pretty big for a flash model.

        MiMo 2.6 Flash is the most capable model you can currently run on 2x Sparks without resorting to a quantised version of something.

          Pragmata 4 minutes ago

          I meant quantized. You can get an EXL3 quantized version thats almost the same performance.

  • npn 25 minutes ago

    So this is the reason for the crash a few days ago.

  • handfuloflight 23 minutes ago

    Is it coming to OpenCode et al?

      opengears 20 minutes ago

      and do we know which version runs on opencode at the moment (on the free and on the paid version), is there a way to find out?

  • floooof 18 minutes ago

    they must've been using this since 2-3 days when it became free again in OpenCode, it's noticeable smarter, beats GLM

  • freakynit an hour ago

    Those benchmarks can't possibly be real, right? Right? <insert padme 4-panel meme here>

      logicchains 43 minutes ago

      At this rate the frontier labs will be Anthropic and DeepSeek, with OpenAI struggling to keep up.

        freakynit 36 minutes ago

        I believe these are the last sets of super-high-end models available to public (open or closed).. these companies probably will now start to withhold top-of-the-line models for themselves, governments, and their super-high-paying partners only.

          ReptileMan 3 minutes ago

          We have the weights, we have the papers, nothing preventing development on this foundation.

          stymaar 24 minutes ago

          News from a near future:

          Here's How Distill APT Used McKinsey's Private Access To Top Anthropic Model To Help The Chinese Keep Up With The Us Top IA Labs Despite Access Restrictions

        slopinthebag 8 minutes ago

        idk, sol 6.1 is both cheap and capable. i've been using it exclusively, i don't need to care about usage, and it's really smart.

        yes maybe opus 5.5 is stronger and flash is cheaper, but 6.1 strikes a good balance imo.

          ReptileMan 5 minutes ago

          i have a feeling that Sol is just Astra low, but with lowest possible priority on the compute.

  • throwfaraway135 27 minutes ago

    Another big win for opensource AI.

    BTW who would have thought China would be the champion of freedom and opensource in the AI arena, while US is fighting for corporate/government control.

  • m00dy 34 minutes ago

    We're in a crisis

  • bashtoni 38 minutes ago

    "a minor update" they say before showing off benchmarks that display a substantial improvement.