I said no and Apple said yes

42 points | by thatslast an hour ago

14 comments

  • rozenmd 19 minutes ago

    You ever notice how Apple never really lets the user say "no" to their nudges?

    It's always "maybe later" and never "no seriously, I don't want this, go away"

      aranelsurion 3 minutes ago

      I have this one notification asking me if I want to enable the Personal focus when I’m at home. I don’t want my iPhone to care if I’m at home or not, so the past two years whenever it pops up I click Later.

      It will probably never stop asking.

        jacquesm a few seconds ago

        It will. Once you accidentally mis-click once and then suddeny there is no way to back out of it.

      cheschire 17 minutes ago

      I’ve noticed that most companies do that, not just Apple.

        factorialboy 3 minutes ago

        Apple claims to be the privacy king. They deserve scrutiny.

      LoganDark 9 minutes ago

      And Sync Immediately's only affirmative option is "For Today", so I get to set a daily reminder to remind the setting that I do in fact want it to be ON.

  • eur0pa 7 minutes ago

    I feel the same way. I'm not completely against the technology, but please let me say "no" and remove the models and kill the processes.

  • jpnc 14 minutes ago

    > The “AI” industry has many flaws, the word “consent” being seemingly missing from training data and company handbooks is one of them

    Yes! The most consentless (don't underline this in red firefox!) technology that I can think of certainly.

    edit: also install and use Linux

      LoganDark 8 minutes ago

      I see non-consensual more often, tbf.

  • kouteiheika 10 minutes ago

    > But that’s a trivial cost compared to the consent problem. [..] AI bros keep telling me “just turn it off” and when I do they remove the choice.

    This is barking at the wrong tree. If you value things like your privacy or the ability to strictly control what runs on your computer then perhaps it would be a good idea to not run a proprietary operating system that's primarily designed not to provide you with the best user experience possible but to slowly extract more and more value out of you?

      LoganDark 7 minutes ago

      You must be talking about companies other than Apple. Apple has been falling into value extraction lately (which I hope Ternus will change), but their operating systems very much have never been designed for that from the outset. Rather the opposite. Apple is the only company that comprehensively documents platform security and privacy. I can't think of anyone else who doesn't just say "trust me bro". Maybe GrapheneOS.

      Apple is also one of the only companies that focuses on user experience above all else (nearly, anyway). Again, I can't think of a single other example (maybe Framework comes close), but while Apple has incredible technology, they have always been fairly measured with it to attain just the user experience they want.

  • chekibreki 7 minutes ago

    I see the dangers of AI and agree that many companies don’t value our privacy and do what’s best for them and not us, but…

    …this is an emotional dogmatic post. „All of this garbage“ clearly shows that the author is stuck in the past. The banners on the website confirm this. It’s the figurative fanatic complaining about those black steam devils and their tracks that nobody needs and that destroy nature. Yeah, steam trains were noisy and created smoke, but the age of horses was over. No emotional outburst would have stopped that, and won’t stop AI now.

      frereubu a few seconds ago

      If something can't be stopped, does that mean it's good? Reading accounts of the industrial revolution, huge swathes of nature in the north of England were destroyed. This article is an argument that it should be different, and is mostly focused on consent, not whether AI should exist or not (although the author's position on that is pretty clear too).

      As a side not, I would argue you're being just as "emotional" (which I don't necessarily see as a bad thing despite your aspersions) by calling it "fanatic".

      jacquesm 3 minutes ago

      He's not talking about AI in general. He's talking about a device he owns.