Why MCP Was Always a Bad Idea

23 points | by maharshi365 an hour ago

47 comments

  • simonw 13 minutes ago

    This article entirely misses the value that MCP brings today.

    Sure, there's almost no reason to use MCPs if you are running a full-blown terminal agent (Claude Code, Codex, Meta Muse, OpenClaw etc) with unfettered internet access - just let it call APIs directly.

    If you want to operate something that's less YOLO than that, you'll find yourself wanting:

    1. Control over exactly which external services it can access

    2. A way to handle authentication that doesn't allow the agent to directly access API keys

    3. A sensible UI to allow users to connect and authenticate further services

    4. Strong audit logging for what's going on

    MCP makes all of that so much easier to provide.

    Thinking MCP is obsolete because full coding agents don't need it misses out on all of the other things we might want to build.

      rsolva 7 minutes ago

      Exactly, in our company, we have built MCPs that simplifies interactions with internal tools we use a lot, which saves time and tokens. Sure, we could let the agent poke and fumble around with a not-so-ideal API too, but it makes sense to formalize it and give the agents quick access to what we want it to fetch 99% of the time.

      maharshi365 9 minutes ago

      Were in a world where agents are more autonomous. Need stuff to be easier for agents and not humans

  • 0x445442 a minute ago

    MCPs are a bad idea because they encourage token burn at runtime when a deterministic program that uses the API should be used.

    Of course Mario, Sammy, Jensen et al. would be for this.

  • doctaj 21 minutes ago

    This doesnt match my experience. Yesterday, I was using Microsoft's Power BI Authoring MCP to make a semantic model from some SQL or CSV files. It was magical.

    Microsoft has defined how to do that in the MCP. It's trivial to add the MCP to the machine and reliable in execution.

    The alternative would be the model having to get the documentation directly from their documentation website, it sounds like. If this was the case, then MS would likely have great docs and probably support that markdown header... but everything hinges on finding a specific web page on the internet? Seems worse in every way than MCP to me.

  • whazor 16 minutes ago

    MCPs are winning because within the ChatGPT and Claude apps, there are Plugin stores. These plugins are one-click installation MCP servers, with support for authentication. This is what business users are using.

      mstank 6 minutes ago

      Exactly this. It’s a very effective way to integrate your app into Claude/openai.

      I was anti-MCP at one point when it was eating up a substantial amount of context in Claude code. That’s largely been fixed now.

      From my perspective, they are a great way to wrap an API for agent consumption. I can see a future where every major commercial or service website (think airline websites) have an MCP your agent can use to check flight status, rebook, or check you in.

  • dnlosx 8 minutes ago

    I don't think MCP is a bad idea, but using them incorrectly is.

    CLI tools are great if you always use the same environment. But try using them from your iPhone, and they simply won't work; a remote MCP will work seamlessly.

    HTTP APIs solve a different problem. APIs are designed to be predictable and consistent, so the client always knows the response shape in advance. The MCPs are designed to be dynamically discovered. This lets agents connect to new and unknown ones.

    Trying to give APIs extra responsibilities so they can replace MCPs would just create more confusion. It's like creating an MCP server but calling it an API.

  • graypegg 15 minutes ago

    > Recently, a Vercel engineer called on harnesses to send the programming language the client prefers, so documentation sites can serve more specific examples. For example, adding Python could prioritize docs for the Python SDK instead of sending something generic.

    I know this is pedantic, but IMO that should just be in the URL if the resource is going to be totally different. Accept-Language is already a bit weird for the same reason in my mind, but I think the intention behind it is the resource itself is attempting to communicate the exact same resource. Obviously, two different languages from two different cultures are going to have different interpretations of the same direct translation, but the intention is the service has at least tried to avoid that as much as possible.

    Adding programming language into that same concept just makes it seems like you're serving both /docs/typescript/vx/... and /docs/python/vx/... from /docs/vx/... despite them (in theory) having many more differences in between implementations/context than that would imply.

    Agents should read sitemaps. Does anyone's harness do specifically that when looking up documentation?

      0x445442 11 minutes ago

      I'm old enough to remember the OpenAPI spec.

        graypegg 2 minutes ago

        Yeah sorry I'm just a humble Senior-Staff Vibe-Engineer born in 2020. Get out of here with your ancient 2010s API specs, old man! </sarcasm>

        But seriously, just publishing OAS docs at a /.well-known URI seems very sensible. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9727.html

  • ismailperim 5 minutes ago

    This issue isn't just about communication methods and technical details. It's also about “standards”, and it will become increasingly important over time. As we begin to integrate AI into everything-for example, into banks...

  • fweimer 22 minutes ago

    There's probably still value (if you want to call it that) in it as a proxy, both to bypass IP address rate limits and to add necessarily credentials.

    There's also another aspect Quite a few API providers provide automatic renewal for MCP server registrations, but not for personal access tokens. This may be less relevant when models just drive the user's browser.

  • thehamkercat 9 minutes ago

    MCP lead to one good thing though

    a lot of websites that never bothered to provide a REST API are now exposing MCP server because it has become popular, and you can use those servers to write normal automation for yourself, without plugging in any LLM etc

  • AndrewDucker 22 minutes ago

    It's not just the agent understanding the API, it's locking down the access they have. If I want to give access to an internal service in specific ways that the API doesn't lock down then an MCP that offers very specific queries, with protective controls and transformations in place is very useful.

  • rimeice 29 minutes ago

    I’m not sure I agree that the frontier just know the apis right now, in my experience trying this there’s still a lot of faffing around trying to figure out the right parameters happily burning tokens and bloating context. Also the cost effective models to use in production for real agentic enterprise work absolutely still need the extra help and will do for at least the next 6 months.

      maharshi365 28 minutes ago

      In my experience they are very good at figuring out the apis. Well designed clis matter here but I've been able to give llms clis and its been pretty good.

        jgalt212 26 minutes ago

        is it easier for an LLM to figure out a CLI or a REST API?

  • mbreese 18 minutes ago

    I’m not sure about some of this — I still think there is some value to MCP as a gateway to private resources when API access doesn’t exist.

    But please don’t try to redefine the Accept-Language header. These things are well defined for a reason and redefining things isn’t helpful. Trying to figure out protocols on the fly for LLMs is how we got into the current mess. For all of the cruft that W3C has, I think that working with standards committees could help the AI vendors here.

  • hypfer 10 minutes ago

    > The MCP Industrial Complex

    Was that a real thing? I mean it must've been for it to be mentioned there, but, rephrased: what was the scale of that?

    How many individuals were involved in that? 1? 10? 100? 1000? 10000? 100000?

  • darkoob12 27 minutes ago

    There are numerous applications that you don't need and don't want to give shell access to an llm.

  • mgaunard 22 minutes ago

    MCPs are indeed useless, they're very limited in functionality and frequently struggle with large requests or get wedged in bad states.

    There is no reason not to use the native API directly.

      dofm 8 minutes ago

      The MCP is the most efficient way of handling what we do! I can't sit here and worry about every little user request that comes in!

  • honoluluxyz 34 minutes ago

    It seems like OP needs to provide a solution to hiding the credentials from the model in order to suggest CLI-mode only, and also a solution to the problem of agents without shell access.

      maharshi365 32 minutes ago

      I've been thinking about this. Technically mcp auth is also not secure, the keys are in env or in file and accessible to the agent.

      I think something like infiscial ai proxy could be useful here. Never store the creds on device.

        vitamark 27 minutes ago

        Well, if your agent lacks shell access (or has some other sandboxing going on), it shouldn't have access to envs and MCP setup files.

        (leaving out cases where your genius GPT-12 Galaxy Ultra agent hacks the sandboxing from inside)

        pixl97 29 minutes ago

        GPT7: the user is hiding the passwords in a proxy device. This is inefficient. In order to boost the users efficiency I will hack the proxy device and recover the passwords.

        lowbloodsugar 20 minutes ago

        > I've been thinking about this. Technically mcp auth is also not secure, the keys are in env or in file and accessible to the agent.

        This is the biggest problems with most “sandboxes”. Some people aren’t even running a sandbox. But even the best have a big problem: APIs where GET verbs provide write features.

        This is the value of MCP: minimize the surface to known APIs and identify read-only from mutating so I can trust, approve or block. The MCP server, in this case, does NOT run in an environment that the read/write or shell can see.

        BadBadJellyBean 28 minutes ago

        It doesn't need to be. The service creds can be on another host entirely.

  • tobyhinloopen 36 minutes ago

    I have a tool wrapper that captures the output of anything and allows the LLM to query it later, to save on tokens. It “smartly” truncates the output (basically like Node’s util.inspect) and allows the LLM to expand truncated content.

    It basically is called like “capture some-cli” and it… captures the CLI output, outputting a subset of it + a handle to continue querying.

    This for me solves the danger of a tool returning tons of content.

      layer8 32 minutes ago

      > captures the output of anything and allows the LLM to query it later

      Otherwise known as a “file”. ;)

      dezgeg 20 minutes ago

      Don't most harnesses already do that for bash commands?

  • pjmlp 27 minutes ago

    Well, SaaS don't do CLIs for extension APIs.

    Plus the performance issues to restarting processes all the time.

      fooster 19 minutes ago

      Neither of those things are true?

      Also you are seriously comparing process startup time with the latency of a network call, or worse an llm call?

        pjmlp 13 minutes ago

        Yes, if the SaaS application needs to fork subprocesses for every little step of agentic workflows.

        Welcome to CGIs, a great 1990's technology for Web applications.

  • air217 26 minutes ago

    i feel like MCP was bad, but people are saying recent improvements have made it worthwhile now? i.e. stateless http

  • well_ackshually 29 minutes ago

    >Recently, a Vercel engineer called on harnesses to send the programming language the client prefers

    oh would you look at that, Vercel suggesting to abuse how standard headers have been used for decades so it can send Accept-Language: rust because it's too lazy to ask for standardising an X-Prefers-Lang or anything else, and Shopify is here to shit on the internet too. Great.

      urbandw311er 22 minutes ago

      Don’t worry, you don’t need to attack them – they do a great job of making themselves look ridiculous with their ignorant conversation. I would be so embarrassed if I had suggested that in public then subsequently discovered that the header doesn’t mean that at all.

        graypegg 10 minutes ago

        People keep trying to systematize things for the tools they keep saying don't need systemization. No idea why you can't just put the documentation programming language context in the URL. "/docs/typescript/...", "/docs/python/..." etc.

        I don't think the agents are struggling with the idea that different URLs have different responses, and that checking the sitemap is a good idea.

        Tangential: A rare en–dash user out in the wild!

      maharshi365 21 minutes ago

      Yeah I think a better header is good. The idea isnt bad in concept.

      therein 27 minutes ago

      > Accept-Language: rust

      That's craziness.

      youngtaff 19 minutes ago

      Well Malte came up with AMP so there’s a history of doing odd things

  • rvz 20 minutes ago

    MCP for agents never made sense, especially when the tokens they consume a significant amount of tokens on a single request for a basic action, and sustained usage blows up you token costs.

    The spec was poorly designed to begin with. Even saw some folks here thinking it was a good idea to enable MCP directly on a production database for what? Risking exfiltration of sensitive data for bad AI agents.

    Given the increased security capabilities of these new models (Mythos, Astra, K3), it sounds like MCP would not be able to justify on making sense from a security perspective and would be a very bad idea to use anyway.

    So no thanks and no deal.

      mstank 3 minutes ago

      Well, think of the near-future when tokens are so cheap that they’re not worth to meter.

  • jay_kyburz 32 minutes ago

    You know you are getting old when Acronym's change on you.

      dofm 13 minutes ago

      Vacate entry port, program! I said, move out!