11 comments

  • reeredfdfdf 35 minutes ago

    As somebody else said already, you care too much. It's not your fault things are progressing slowly. As the stoic quote says, you have only power over your mind, not outside events, like how qualified the dev team or management is. I guess you could suggest some more training for the team, though the impact of that would mostly depend on their attitude towards learning new things, which again is outside your control.

    I would just treat the job as a source of paycheck while looking for something better. There are lots of people working jobs like that in slow-moving organizations, most simply don't care as long as they are paid. It's best to find meaning to life from somewhere outside work, such as hobbies.

    Coming from Finland, the #1 in EU unemployment rate, I've slowly learned to be happy of the fact I have a job at all.

      _override 5 minutes ago

      I agree that I care too much. I've always had a very challenging time decoupling my life from my job. It works the other way around too though, where when things are going well at work and I enjoy the work I do, I feel excellent even outside of the office. But when it doesn't, I don't feel well at all. I really need to learn how to leave work at the office because to be honest this will probably not be my last job that sucks.

  • jraph 3 minutes ago

    Leave before burning out. Find something else and get the hell out.

    In the meantime, take sick leaves if you can.

    This is critically important and kinda urgent too. Consider many people don't notice they are burning out as well.

    Leaving even if you don't yet have another plan could lead to a better outcome. because burnouts can take years to heal, some never manage to fully heal as well.

  • genezeta an hour ago

    If you don't mind me saying this, one thing that gets overlooked often in situations like the one you explained is that the team is part of the system that needs modernisation.

    In fact, the team needs to lead the modernisation effort. It needs updating before the rest of the system can be.

    From your explanation it sounds like you expected to find a modern and skilled team maintaining a legacy project. That is not at all so frequent. If the project is legacy, most often is because the team also is outdated.

    So, obviously you can just switch jobs. And if you're getting sick from it, then you should by all means leave this job.

    But then again, if what you actually want is to make this job work, then my suggestion is to:

    1. Get the whole team together and evaluate their situation. Make a list of the skills the team is lacking and the knowledge updates needed. Make them participate in this so that, at the same time, you can evaluate their attitude towards the whole thing.

    1.a. If the team does not want to update, then there's no successful path and I would suggest leaving.

    1.b. If the team is receptive, then go ahead.

    2. Meet with whoever needs to authorise it and get them to commit to providing both time and resources for re-training the team. You will need a plan, a timeline, and achievable goals.

    3. Start as soon as you can. Focus first on basic infrastructure. Any tools, processes, skills, that are generic and widely applicable. Then go for more specific ones directly related to the project's technologies.

    The team may need some rearranging too, but try to keep this at minimum so that they can be confident that all of this is strictly related to a technology and skill update, and will not imply any sort of job insecurity or competition.

    You may have noticed that all of this is mostly people management. If this is not something you'd like to do, then the only option is leaving. The job you're in right now is clearly one of people managing and not so much a technological one -though is still requires knowing and choosing the technological goals to seek, obviously-.

    If you do follow, then who knows what will happen. But if things go well, you might expect to see some results in around 6 months or so, depending on how large/small the team and project are.

  • sph 44 minutes ago

    You don't survive a thing that's making you sick. You quit.

    No job is worth your health.

  • amelius 10 minutes ago

    What does your boss say? Do they think the company is doing fine?

  • iamflimflam1 36 minutes ago

    What support do you have in your job - are you in a team of product managers/owners.

    Is there a tech/team lead on the project - what’s their opinion of the progress the team is making?

    It sounds like you are taking all the delivery responsibility on your own shoulders.

    Is this project really top priority with your management? It sounds like it might not be.

  • lifestyleguru 4 minutes ago

    Having had an experience with legacy enterprise software from Sweden once, I just passed out in the the workplace mentally, was absent few times, then they fired me. Hope it helps.

  • snyena 14 minutes ago

    Just wanted to say - hope things ease up soon. I'm a PM/PO too (7 years in), and my first 15 months in my current job also felt like total shit, for different reasons. Got better mostly because some good people joined the team. Not sure that's replicable for you, but honestly - do what's within your power, within reasonable limits, and try to switch off from work once you're home. Easier said than done, but try.

    Also, being told to sell a modernization roadmap to customers while the team can't actually ship it isn't really a you problem. That's just a bad setup.

    I'm in Slovakia but have a bit of a Swedish connection myself - studied there, speak alright Swedish, even made it to the last round for a PM job in Skövde once (didn't get it). Market's rough right now but your CV sounds solid, that'll turn.

    Hope you find something better soon. Lycka till!

  • GianFabien an hour ago

    After I read the first paragraph, I could guess the rest. It is typical for the legacy enterprise system space.

    My diagnosis is that you care too much. The enterprise IT space is kabuki theatre.

    So what if it takes 6 months to accomplish what should take 2 weeks? Explain to the customers that their needs are so special and particular that it takes your highly trained and experienced staff 8 months to accomplish the high quality results that you demand. Every line of code is carefully written and rechecked, etc. No AI slop is allowed anywhere near your exacting group. You are delivering Saab fighter jet plane quality software, not some cheap and nasty jeep software from Cuba.

    Of course, the real challenge is to say stuff like that with a straight face. If necessary, take improv acting lessons. After all it is all an absurdist theatre production.

    ... and keep sending out resumes, etc.

    No job is worth jeopardising your mental health.

  • thiago_fm an hour ago

    Make less your life about your work. It's so hard for some people, myself included to do that. But you need to do that!

    Some people don't even want to work at all or work in a successful product or whatever. We created all those silly expectations for ourselves, often they aren't even our expectations but the expectations of others.

    Those expectations, our desires often make us very miserable.

    For instance, 90%+ of the people in the world would dream of living in Sweden, despite your bad outlook of the job market. It's all about perspective.

    Of course, if you can afford, pay a psychologist. They may help you better to deal with your emotions and help you find out what you need.

    Maybe try building something... if you want, hit me up, see my profile. But maybe first try to chill down and enjoy life a bit.