90 comments

  • delis-thumbs-7e 17 minutes ago

    I think this is amazing. Love Kagi. I’m happy to pay for a good search.

    Nobody speaks about their AI Assistant, but it is really good. They somehow harnessed it so that it mainly searches info first and sticks to the verifiable data. I prefer it to Claude or any other, because it actually answers the question I need without fluff or “Great question! Here’s some plausible nonsense you can trip over instead of doing actual research!”.

      Cider9986 12 minutes ago

      I've also been pleasantly surprised about Brave's search based AI answers. They have been good for months and cite sources.

      It will say that nothing in the provided search context has your answer which seems like a simple system prompt but somehow other models from bigger companies have a much harder time saying "I don't know" by default.

      ohyoutravel 13 minutes ago

      I use it for any first pass searches. It’s great. Add a ? at the end of a search and get an annotated answer. Super happy with it and super happy to keep paying. Plus they send me stickers sometimes that go on my laptop that serve as a conversation starter to evangelize Kagi a bit in person. One of the only few services I happily pay for.

        vincnetas 9 minutes ago

        i also want stickers...

  • getfacl 41 minutes ago

    This makes sense to me as a Kagi user. The chance that I'm going to subscribe to read an article I found via a search is zero.

      bluGill 22 minutes ago

      If they had a "here is what I'm currently subscribed to" that might be valuable. Everybody should subscribe to the local news paper - to get local news. Things that matter to them that they won't hear about. (Odds are you the reader do not live in the same city as me and so have no interest in who is on my local school board - but I'm trying to figure out who to vote for and need more information than I can find).

      However tracking that is tricky at best.

        mrngld 9 minutes ago

        I'd be onboard with supporting a local newspaper -- if they hadn't gone all-in with aligning themselves to a particular political tribe. They're part of the problem Ground News makes obvious to a hilarious degree, where if something happens that doesn't fit the narrative you just will never see it if you only look at their platform. Given that not everyone has a reputable local newspaper I don't know that saying "everybody should" is necessarily sound advice.

        Anyway, you can block sources individually in Kagi, that can weed out the most common paywall options you don't have, like Forbes or whatever.

          bluGill 2 minutes ago

          should is the key here. The lack of something to support is reason to not pay. Like you, I lack a good local newspaper. There is the nearby city, but they don't cover the important local news well.

          Still I'm on the lookout for if someone ever does start covering local news. I don't need national news, even though that is what is cheap easy to get me. (because I get it from to many other places)

  • tempest_ an hour ago

    I've been enjoying Kagi for the last couple years.

    Even as LLMs slurp up most of the internet and replace search I think Kagi is still useful.

    Reddit has recently blocked access to old reddit without an account and the ability to filter out stuff like that is useful.

      optionalsquid 32 minutes ago

      Alternatively, you can configure Kagi to rewrite Reddit links to point to an alternative front-end via https://kagi.com/settings/redirects

        ^https://(www\.)?reddit.com|https://safereddit.com
      
      EDIT: See here for a list of instances: https://github.com/redlib-org/redlib#instances
        Saris 13 minutes ago

        LibRedirect is useful for this (and other sites) too if you want it to apply over the whole browser.

        Friends send me links to reddit and stuff so it's handy to have an automatic redirect.

      roblh a minute ago

      Me too. The longer I use it, the more I like it. Initially I found myself going back to google fairly often, but unless I'm specifically trying to find a product for sale in my region, Kagi is almost always better now. Maybe Kagi got better, or google got worse, or probably both.

      datakan 44 minutes ago

      I wish they put more effort into Kagi news. Feels very barebones but has a lot of potential.

        msdz 39 minutes ago

        What do you feel is missing for a free news offering?

        I don’t personally like it all that much, because it feels like it’s missing the depth I like in well-written reporting, but for those who just want a quick overview of topics once a day, it seems to work pretty well, no?

          mcny 25 minutes ago

          There are some defects like what does this mean?

          > dir="auto" rather than inheriting the story's direction: quotes are reproduced verbatim, so a Hebrew story routinely carries an English one. Inheriting rtl left its closing punctuation stranded at the start of the line (KNEWS-453). -->

          https://news.kagi.com/s/3gskhn

      bradyd 34 minutes ago

      > Reddit has recently blocked access to old reddit without an account

      Old Reddit still works just fine without an account.

        tome 32 minutes ago

        Are you sure? If I visit https://old.reddit.com/r/haskell/ in private mode (i.e. without my auth cookies) then I am asked to log in.

          kriz9 29 minutes ago

          I guess they are A/B testing this “feature”.

          bradyd 31 minutes ago

          Yeah, that loads right up for me.

            rickstanley 12 minutes ago

            Wellp, not for me... Shame, reddit has/had really good answers to a variety of problems that I've had over the years. Not sure if there's a replacement for it, or if there will ever be another.

            BeetleB 11 minutes ago

            Not for me - both at work and home. I need to be logged in.

        tempest_ 32 minutes ago

        Maybe for you.

        I get a nice

        > Log in to use old Reddit

        > To keep Reddit safe, accounts are required to access old Reddit. Log in, or continue without an account on reddit.com.

        angel- 8 minutes ago

        Not working for me either without an account anymore. Seems like a very recent change.

        LoganDark 31 minutes ago

        > Old Reddit still works just fine without an account.

        It works sometimes, it's been inconsistent lately. I assume they're rolling out the blocks incrementally or something, because sometimes I can get through to it in a private window and other times I can't.

        samtheprogram 33 minutes ago

        I had to login the other day to use it. Probably getting slowly rolled out.

        john_strinlai 29 minutes ago

        it works just fine for you, but not everyone.

        NBJack 20 minutes ago

        Not for long, sadly.

      tonmoy 34 minutes ago

      I can still access old.reddit.com from my country/region

        bee_rider 25 minutes ago

        It is just people without accounts who are being blocked, and maybe it is regional?

          mcny 20 minutes ago

          If I could wave a magic wand, I would implement this like some kind of token replenishment or quota system like every IP address gets to access old dot like a very low number and if you log in with the same IP address you get more quota or replenished a little faster if you also come in with no auth like from a private window. Of course, in an ideal world we wouldn't have to do anything like this but yes, regional is likely as well.

          I know I worked with some programmers in India and apparently some ISP will do some kind of trickery so like a lot of customers share the same ipv4 address. So what I said above might not actually make sense in the real world.

            bee_rider 8 minutes ago

            Is that trickery NAT, network address translation? It is a pretty widespread technique I think, we’d have run out of ipv4 addresses a while ago without it.

  • Cider9986 37 minutes ago

    I would pay for Brave or Kagi for like $2-3 per month if one of them supported private payments(actually that's exactly what Brave costs).

    Paying should get you more privacy not less.

    I'm not paying for Kagi because it's expensive and also doesn't support private payments and Brave has better UI for me.

    Brave blocks their own ads while not supporting private payments and it doesn't let you use the search premium in Vanadium, it seems, which makes me question whether my subscription would work cross device. Maybe it would but only in Brave browser.

    >Support private, independent search

    >See search results ad-free

    >Get a cleaner view on all results pages

    >Cancel any time

    Brave should also add more perks like maybe a smarter AI overview or if they ever stop giving unlimited AI then you get some. At this point it seems like a donation.

  • pelagicAustral an hour ago

    Killer feature. It would be awesome to have some plugin or userscript to auto-swap the e-begging scammy link for an Archive link instead.

      azan_ 36 minutes ago

      Is asking for money for your work begging? That's interesting take.

        ImPostingOnHN 32 minutes ago

        You're right, but I'd personally be okay with the paywalled article search results not showing up, since they are ads masquerading as usable search results.

        If the publisher wants me to subscribe (and many do publish content worth paying for), they can reach me via normal means, versus corrupting my search results.

          cosmic_cheese a minute ago

          Right. I don’t mind paying when the value and clear and I feel like my time has been respected, and paywalled link showing up in search violates the second of those two.

          In most of the circumstances when those show up in my search I’m looking for information for immediate use and I am not going whip out a credit card. If I run into a paywall, I’m immediately hitting the back button and moving on to the next result, so it’s better if they just never show up in search at all.

          no-name-here 7 minutes ago

          Is the idea that you strongly prefer seeing ads instead of paywalls?

            ohyoutravel a minute ago

            I prefer ads because pihole blocks them. Paywalls block me, and then I have to reload and ninja enter reader mode, or if I’m reading inclined, find an archive link.

        pelagicAustral 26 minutes ago

        Assuming an actual journalist wrote the piece, and it's not some stitch together, half-slop, half-cognitive noise-ridden piece of crap, like, you know, about 80% of all content behind a paywall.

      Nextgrid 38 minutes ago

      There is a regex replacement feature. You could build a list of known paywall domains to rewrite them to your desired paywall unblocker service.

      bramhaag 18 minutes ago

      There is the extension Bypass Paywalls Clean[1] which fetches content from archive sites and displays it on the original page.

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bypass_Paywalls_Clean

      Gander5739 17 minutes ago

      There's Bypass Paywalls Clean (not going to link for obvious reasons).

  • pkilgore 43 minutes ago

    I love Kagi but will probably be selective or ignore this one. Sometimes, I like to know what's out there, and I don't have a problem with paying for good content.

      taintify 7 minutes ago

      Why do you love it?

      I think they have no imagination - like most rich kid “founders” they have no original ideas.

      Would never use this trash

  • SamBam 44 minutes ago

    Hmmm, so if you are looking for some news item, you'll only find AI-written clickbait articles covered in pop-up ads, rather than any news sites that employ journalists?

      sarjann 22 minutes ago

      That's why it's a choice. If you weren't going to sign up to a site then it's just a pure degradation of experience to see links you can't use.

        no-name-here 5 minutes ago

        I guess the idea is that such people strongly prefer seeing ads instead of a paywall?

        rvz 9 minutes ago

        I agree it is a choice.

        That's why it is a choice for companies to not pay for (human) software engineers anymore for writing software and to get all the agents to do the work and write the software that we use today.

        Just like how we will see articles now being written by AI that will rank in Kagi instead of human written articles.

      magguzu 5 minutes ago

      Kagi specifically rocks because it lets you downrank those sites.

      demibabs 38 minutes ago

      Yeah, I don’t get it. Do people want actual journalism to go out of business?

        Shank 33 minutes ago

        > Do people want actual journalism to go out of business?

        Former Google Contributor user reporting in! I absolutely do not want normal journalism going out of business, but I’m not going to subscribe to Bloomberg or FT or any of those sites on a recurring basis for one article. I love the idea of paying a non-subscription for one thing, occasionally, though!

          iamnothere 29 minutes ago

          Yes, I also liked the crowdfunding model that the defunct YC startup Beacon Reader proposed. It’s too bad they didn’t make it.

        OroPla 17 minutes ago

        Didn't journalism go out of business decades ago and now not even pretends to be journalism anymore? I feel it has gotten so bad that most younger people alive today do not even realize what journalism is supposed to be: only report the facts, never add your own opinion to the facts, if there is more than one side, ask each side and report what each side has to say without omitting or adding anything. These are just some super basic features of journalism that do not seem to exist anywhere anymore.

          john_strinlai 9 minutes ago

          >Didn't journalism go out of business decades ago and now not even pretends to be journalism anymore?

          it seems rarer, for sure. perhaps the quantity of good journalism is the same but there's a lot more trash to sift through?

          but i wouldnt say it went out of business or anything. there's some fantastic journalists out there still.

          rvz 7 minutes ago

          > Didn't journalism go out of business decades ago and now not even pretends to be journalism anymore?

          So Daily Mail, Bloomberg, CNBC, BBC, CNN, ABC News, New York Times, FOX and many others all went out of business decades ago?

          That is breaking news to me.

        hootz 33 minutes ago

        Paywalling all content sucks, it just makes me leave the website. I pay for a news website from my country that gives me extra cool stuff like opinion articles and cultural highlights from my city, not because they paywall the basic news.

          bee_rider 16 minutes ago

          Somebody’s got to be paid to write the basic news articles. Maybe we could have a government funded “basic news” (although there are obvious concerns that that might turn into a propaganda service).

      Nextgrid 38 minutes ago

      If you don’t intend to pay anyway, what’s the issue? This option just gives you the choice to hide paywall results.

      robin_reala 22 minutes ago

      Easy to block / downrank known slop sites from Kagi: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/slopstop.html

      stldtt 18 minutes ago

      Not all news sites are paywalled (reuters for e.g) and if I use a paid search engine like Kagi I'm not looking to experience unwanted advertisement (paywalls are an ad.)

  • sssilver 33 minutes ago

    This is the kind of feature that would potentially make me switch, but I feel like at this point AI has disrupted web search for me in such a fundamental way that I rarely use a search engine nowadays.

      magguzu 6 minutes ago

      Just be careful with nuance. Someone close to me asks Gemini absolutely everything because they like how it gives you a straight answer, but real life doesn't always work that way. Context is often missing (besides just being wrong at times).

      Search engines shouldn't be replaced by AI but they unfortunately are and it result sucks to see.

      wccrawford 20 minutes ago

      I'm still getting there, but I've seen this. I spent hours a couple days ago trying to get pi, llamacpp, and qwen3.6 working well. I had them working before, but not well. I Googled, and I followed it's instructions and following the links it found. But everything was a partial answer, and nothing was clear.

      I finally decided to ask Claude to do it. It discovered things I didn't even know to look for, immediately making it run twice as fast, and then also helped me do the changes I wanted, like per-model settings.

      I knew it was settings.json, but I had it in the wrong spot (thanks, Google) and what I didn't realize is that the 2 settings.json files are different. 1 is global-only, and 1 is per-model-only. If you put the wrong settings in, it'll just ignore them silently. Which left me wondering why it didn't work.

      Then it tested my settings. Then I had to use the official webpages to set the proper settings and it tested those, too. It made suggestions about removing or changing some settings that also made things work better and faster.

      In less than a hour, it had vastly outstripped everything I'd tried, and it got it right and verified it.

      And with how wrong I've seen Google's AI be (and how wrong others have said it is) I can't trust it to even bring me the basics about things. It's worse than useless, it's distracting.

  • OroPla 25 minutes ago

    While this is a nice feature, needing an account (nevermind paying) to then only get a meta search engine will prevent me from ever using it.

    I already spread my searches across at least four different engines (Bing, Ecosia, Startpage & Yandex), so no single provider has a complete profile of all my searches.

    I certainly won't be paying to hand over my data.

      tonytamps 11 minutes ago

      I don't think your strategy is as effective as you think it is for protecting your privacy online. You should also read Kagi's privacy policy before implying Kagi would harm your privacy model.

  • Gecko4072 41 minutes ago

    It would be cool if you could subscribe to search filters or lists or customizations like you do in uBlock origin, especially community made. Or even sharing rankings or somehow having graphs of useful links. Good manual search is super important because in the age of LLMs it’s the only other option if you want to learn about a topic without relying on ai on the internet, and having good results makes it possible unlike most search engines.

  • docheinestages 5 minutes ago

    Kudos to Kagi!

  • oriettaxx 5 minutes ago

    omg, great really!!!

    When will this be available into HN, too ?

      john_strinlai 2 minutes ago

      >When will this be available into HN, too ?

      hn already disallows paywalled links, unless there is an easy/low-effort bypass (noscript, archive link, gift link, etc.).

  • kkarpkkarp 43 minutes ago

    Kagi, search engine that costs you to use has something against publishers who require a fee for their content. Interesting

      frameset 37 minutes ago

      It's not that they have anything against them, it's giving their customers who don't want to see them the choice not to.

  • cormorant 38 minutes ago

    I want the opposite. I want links to the best quality information - even if I have to hunt down a copy.

  • shahedshah 43 minutes ago

    Very useful feature to have. I've not dived into using Kagi just yet, but they may just win me over with this.

  • DeepLogin 16 minutes ago

    I use Brave Search+ DuckDuckGo+ Google Image search and that seems to sastify my search requirements while keeping my payment info private.

    I don't think I will ever think of subscribing to Kagi metasearch engine, especially since their paywalled search offerings seem to be inferior to other options.

  • no-name-here 42 minutes ago

    Would the biggest impact of this be for things like news sources? I guess the idea is that ads are preferrable, as ads and paywalls seem to be two of the primary existing ways that such places support themselves (or don't)?

      SoftTalker 18 minutes ago

      Except for maybe some very local stories, almost all news is available on free sites, or will be shortly once the story breaks.

        no-name-here 10 minutes ago

        Are we talking a company rewording reporting that a different news company hired 1 or more journalists, etc. to originally report? And in this example, are the sites "free" because ads are enabled?

  • treetalker 32 minutes ago

    I believe Kagi has been annotating paywalled results with a circled dollar sign for some time.

    This new feature completely weeds such results out of every search.

    It would be nice to be able to toggle this (1) in the options drop-down menu on the results page (like Verbatim and Personalized modes), as well as (2) inline (with a "!nopaywall" bang or something).

  • r721 36 minutes ago

    Paywalls differ by the difficulty of circumventing them - for NYT/WaPo paywalls it's enough to delete cookies for domain, for WSJ/FT you have to use archive.is, and surely there are paywalls with no known workarounds too.

  • sarjann 27 minutes ago

    I would like to be able to whitelist some paywall sites, e.g. I have an FT subscription and would like to have that bypass the block.

  • scotty79 40 minutes ago

    That should have been an option in Google since the first paywall was put up.

      Nextgrid 36 minutes ago

      Google even has/had a rule against cloaking (the practice of serving search engines a different version of the page from the one visitors get).

        stldtt 22 minutes ago

        This started with expertsexchange:

        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3182198

        but unlike that stack overflow predecessor that attempted to build itself as a paywalled business, newspapers successfully strongarmed Google, at least in the EU, by arguing against Google monopolistic powers so it's unlikely that Google would dare put them in the shitlist.

  • taintify 10 minutes ago

    This Kagi thing is one of the most over-advertised things on HN.

    Right up there with Bluesky.

    Pointless shit that nobody will ever use.