28 comments

  • 0xy 27 minutes ago

    Unlimited spending will never cease as both parties are heavily incentivized to spend, pork barrel and defer desperately needed reform.

    Social Security hurtles towards a cliff while it has a 'fix everything easily' button because no large scale reform is possible until it's the very last minute or far too late, then a sloppy and terrible solution is rammed through full of more pork.

      jghn 21 minutes ago

      This is correct yet also obscures an important point.

      The popular narrative is that one party is the party of fiscal responsibility and the other is fiscally wasteful. But the data don't really bear that out, and it's arguable that the opposite may be true.

      I'd contend that yes they both need to be incentivized as such, but also a necessary but not sufficient step is to halt the narrative that one party is the one who cuts the waste.

        0xy 5 minutes ago

        The spending floodgate cannot be turned off or reduced, only directed towards the current admin's pet projects and away from the previous admin's pet projects. This is true for both parties.

  • rhelz an hour ago

    By the time Trump leaves office, the whole federal government will be completely trashed, up to and including the East Wing of the White House being torn down to a hole in the ground.

    I've never felt so alienated from the leaders of my industry, from my politicians, and from my fellow citizens. Ya'll should have known better. It is the information age, all ignorance is willful ignorance.

      frogperson 5 minutes ago

      Citizens United ruined the great american experiment. if you have seen the chart of campaign financing since CU, you would understand. Politicians have zero need to represent citizens because they know unlimited funds are available for marketing to keep/earn your seat.

      America simply is no longer a democracy or representative democracy.

      adamredwoods an hour ago

      I don't understand how US Republicans talk about fiscal conservation, yet allow rampant profligacy. They must have a different agenda than the one they speak of.

        nielsbot 21 minutes ago

        What they always really mean is tax cuts for those who need it least

        jleyank 43 minutes ago

        "Talk" and "Walk" aren't the same word although they rhyme. And they only refer to Democrats, who are the only ones with agency in government (Murc's Law).

        pstuart 31 minutes ago

        When they engage in financial conservation it's cover for destroying programs they don't like. The fact that they are cheering on yet another incredibly stupid, expensive, and pointless war proves that they are not "fiscal conservatives."

      exabrial an hour ago

      This started long before Trump. Ironically things quite stable under Clinton. 2nd term Bush not so great, 2nd term Obama not great, Trump post covid not great, Biden was terrible, Trump 2.0 terrible.

      The only real solution is to enforce the actual debt ceiling, the begin lowering it a few hundred billion each year, destroying things we don't need. Require all new spending be funded by the 2.5x destruction of existing spending and departments.

        pstuart 19 minutes ago

        I loathed the actions of DOGE but believe that "government efficiency" (yeah, lily oxymoronic) should be baked into everything the government does, most importantly, even the programs that one supports.

        That has been one of many failures of the Dems to both pursue and socialize.

          rhelz 4 minutes ago

          The federal government is actually quite efficient in what it does. For example, the overhead for Social Security is between 0.5% and 1%. I.E, less than the mutual funds in my 401k charge per yeah for "administrative fees."

          When people talk about government waste, what they really are talking about is things the government does which they don't approve of. E.g. ICE--is that wasteful spending? Depends upon whether you like ICE or not. Aide to Israel? Same stuff.

          That's why DOGE got nowhere. There is no mythical mammoth waste, fraud, and abuse in the government.

          0xy 7 minutes ago

          Democrats support the exact same pork barreling.

      conartist6 28 minutes ago

      The challenge now is that we have to have a vision for what we want to build.

      rvz an hour ago

      This debt problem was long before Trump and this is why the US dollar is being printed straight to $0, until it loses its reserve currency status.

        jambalaya8 32 minutes ago

        It really already did lose its reserve status, in a manner of speaking. There isn't ever going to be a gold standard again (even if there is, would the actual gold have the sort of real life uses it had when the gold standard was around? Not like people fill teeth with it anymore unless you are some sort of thug).

      toomuchtodo an hour ago

      New representation will get voted in because of the current macro, will have to raise taxes to pay down the debt to prevent an eventual debt spiral, the electorate will be angry they don't have cake (unless the taxes are applied disproportionally to the top income and wealth percentiles), and we'll be right back to irresponsible policy. I don't have much hope for the US, but at least the bond market are the adults in the room currently. Congrats to those who strip mined the country successfully.

        rvz 43 minutes ago

        > New representation will get voted in because of the current macro, will have to raise taxes to pay down the debt to prevent an eventual debt spiral

        That debt is never getting paid, I'm afraid.

          toomuchtodo 43 minutes ago

          US throws off ~$5T in profits per year to shareholders. It can be paid back, you just have to go after it. It's a choice not to. Forward curves go up because we choose to not reduce the debt? All consumer borrowing costs go up accordingly (consumer debt and mortgages are priced off of US treasuries)? A crisis occurs and there isn't any borrowing capacity left to get to the other side? Sucks to suck, try to suck less in the future. Natural consequences are an important component of the learning process.

          Can't mortgage the economic future of the US forever (which is what treasuries are, borrowing against future US taxpayer revenue), as the bond market is actively demonstrating. Something will give, even if that is "monetizing the debt" and a soft default, with US purchasing power rapidly declining (you thought everyone didn’t like inflation before? Hooboy just wait). Pick your crisis adventure, the message is this fiscal policy is unsustainable.

      0xy 29 minutes ago

      The East Wing argument is such a weird hill to die on. Even Obama era staffers admitted it was embarrassing to welcome foreign dignitaries to a muddy patch of grass rather than a fit for purpose room.

      It's also majority private sector funded, and numerous admins have made substantial changes to the White House.

      Bush 2 and Obama made substantial renovations to the White House, as did Clinton.

      Trump has a massive and growing pile of rightful criticism and you're focusing on a project which costs 1/1,000th the cost of the Iran War and Obama staffers admit is necessary? Priorities?

        Jtsummers 22 minutes ago

        The major issue with the East Wing was how it was done, not that it was done ("it": renovations in general, possibly even tear down and full rebuild). Also the costs have been ballooning and the "no taxpayer funding" claim turned out to be a lie.

        tekla 8 minutes ago

        > It's also majority private sector funded

        This is mostly a lie.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_State_Ballroom#Fun...

        Vast majority is to be paid for by taxpayers.

        nielsbot 10 minutes ago

        Die on? It's absolutely a symbol of the incompetent, corrupt and destructive admin--it's not just the dollars.

        We should be very suspicions of the potential corruption caused by companies and individuals giving money to Trump's pet project.

        Finally, we can criticize multiple things at the same time.

        rhelz 15 minutes ago

        How embarrassing is it to welcome foreign dignitaries to a building which has been partially torn down? I man, if he actually had replaced it with a ballroom, that would be different.

        But that's not what we get from Trump. He can't even maintain a reflecting pool--we're not going to get a ballroom.

        No, he's going to leave the White house much worse than he found it. Which is his style.

          0xy 9 minutes ago

          There's a long history of the reflecting pool having severe algae issues dating back to the early 2000s. Obama spent $30m on repairs that ultimately failed. Is your argument that the pool continuing to fail as it has done under successive governments is exclusively the fault of the admin that has far larger and far more serious points to criticism them on?

  • latchkey an hour ago
  • bubbleRefuge 36 minutes ago

    Federal gov deficit = private sector savings.

      nwellnhof 4 minutes ago

      Only in a closed economy.