Beware Management Consultants

163 points | by KolmogorovComp an hour ago

31 comments

  • notahacker 41 minutes ago

    Not gonna lie, the website of a remarkably ordinary frozen food supermarket found on most UK high streets is not where I'd expect to find this kind of content :)

      RobotToaster a minute ago

      Never thought I'd see them posted on here, but I honestly have a lot more respect for them after seeing this.

      outofpaper 23 minutes ago

      I wish I new of more gems like this. Company sites that go into detail where they went wrong and how they turned things around make for both amazing reading and great educational material.

      zaphod12 39 minutes ago

      and here I thought it was from the Nation of Iceland and was very impressed by the volume of their anti-management consultant stance.

  • hadrien01 35 minutes ago

    The entire section of the website about 'The Dark Ages' is priceless. They don't pull any punches: https://about.iceland.co.uk/our-story/the-dark-ages/

  • arjie an hour ago

    Private firms are entertainingly idiosyncratic in ways only founder-powered public firms barely approach. The other big one I find entertaining is Dr Bronner’s soap which has a massive label full of dense text that is totally stream of consciousness sentences. Amazing.

    Perhaps it’s a characteristic of closed groups. SQLite has its moral code that is the Ten Commandments++. Good stuff.

  • Taikhoom10 13 minutes ago

    I think generalizations are usually bad. I genuinely am weirded out by management's fascination with consultants. It really is about incentives, and consultants usually do not have the right ones, at least the big ones. Also, there are management which feel like companies always need change, but really you have to examine the competitve position within the broader industry not just a vacumm. Things honestly stay the same for a long time. IBM had more revenue then Microsoft all the way up to the early 2010s. Switching costs are powerful - https://s-1.vercel.app/posts/why-dropbox-is-a-obvious-pe-tar...

    I think a key takeaway is the human nature to constantly act, and not just sit and do nothing. Lot's of value in sitting around, especially in investing.

  • schnevets 9 minutes ago

    I smirk and laugh this little slideshow and then remember that my own work involves internal tools to promote governance and productivity while formalizing requirements to two outsourced developers.

    I don't think I'm one of the red team's 7 captains, but I don't exactly have my hands on the paddle every single day. After all, I can find the time to lollygag on HN between 9-5.

  • bigmattystyles 15 minutes ago

    "What would you say you do here?" - The Bobs

  • ang_cire 23 minutes ago

    Am I misreading something, or was it not in fact the corporate leaders who torpedoed the reorg suggestions they knew were coming, who were at fault?

    This is a classic hierarchy-brain/ bureaucracy problem, where "leaders" think the top is more important to the org than the bottom.

      ivanbakel 12 minutes ago

      My interpretation of the parable is really just that management consultants are paid to tell you what you already know and give you the conclusions you want to hear - hence why their "solution" is non-specific and the retrospective analysis vindicates what upper management already wanted.

      It's also a criticism of management-heavy offices who have lost touch with reality, but consultants are a byword for such things, so I guess the title is succinct at the cost of accuracy.

  • paulorlando 7 minutes ago

    That last line: "...to demonstrate fiscal and HR dexterity for stockholders..."

  • gadiyar 14 minutes ago

    Isn’t this the same company that had the trademark dispute with Iceland the country?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland_v_Iceland_Foods_Ltd

  • unfunco an hour ago

    That's why mums go to Iceland.

  • sillywabbit 37 minutes ago

    The antique illustrations on this are fantastic.

      cjs_ac 29 minutes ago

      They’re a set of clip art provided with Microsoft PowerPoint called ‘Screen Beans’.

  • danesparza 4 minutes ago

    I mean, the movie "Office space" could have taught you that lesson almost 30 years ago.

  • jldugger 40 minutes ago

    I think I'm missing a _lot_ of context here. Obviously management consultants are sycophantic but why post this now?

      kristianc 26 minutes ago

      Score-settling by the ousted (and then returning) CEO Malcolm Walker. After Iceland merged with Booker in 2000, Walker was pushed out and a new management team led by Bill Grimsey took over. Sales declined, head office staff ballooned and they hired a lot of McKinsey types. Walker's point is that they'd overcomplicated what was basically quite a simple business.

      john_strinlai 7 minutes ago

      someone saw this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49350677

      and thought it was interesting enough to submit on its own

      ferngodfather 38 minutes ago

      They saw it commented on another thread.

  • mkoubaa 43 minutes ago

    PE turning a beloved brand into a soulless skin suit exhibit no. 63631

  • bmiekre 24 minutes ago

    Class

  • sscaryterry an hour ago

    This is nice big fat fuck you to the mercenaries that come and destroy companies. Well done Iceland.

  • dvaplima 41 minutes ago

    Thats a good point of view of the traditional Managment consultants, now for the "AI era", this type of interventions will not exist Maybe now the Big coorp will finally get closer to real life solutions to the problems companies face

      KaiserPro 16 minutes ago

      I wish.

      My company is "AI native" in the sense that even though we are not a tech company we are using it heavily to build a bunch of tech that makes us more efficient.

      Think building better SaaS products around our actual process rather than whatever bespoke niche SaaS product provides. this has yielded real savings in both software costs and efficiency. Compared to our peers, we are light years ahead. Even the supposed "leading AI readiness consultants" hired by the group board agreed.

      our board have still hired kpmg[1] or some other vague merchant to come and help us deliver "efficiencies"

      [1] its not them, but I want to keep some level of mystique about where I work

        amarcheschi a few seconds ago

        I'm curious to know what they have been providing in suggestions up to now, can you tell us?

        hahahaa 6 minutes ago

        Maybe GMPK should do a protection racket of sorts. Pay us 1% of revenue and we wont send the consultants j/k

      sublinear 7 minutes ago

      Nope. Everyone has their strengths and should avoid some types of work. AI doesn't change this.

      Many consultants and entrepreneurs are too shameless to do that. AI only amplifies their dysfunction.

      What most businesses are doing instead is squeezing their middle management to do more with less. No consultants. AI is cheaper. This squeeze happens every time the economy stagnates, and adding AI as "help" is irrelevant.