38 comments

  • flybrand an hour ago

    When the West was settled it was widely believed that the act of building a town attracted rain. The 'atmosphere' of human buildings in an area would naturally attract and collect rain from the heavens. Many of the original methods used to estimate water, rainfall, and other essentials for human survival were wrong.

    Most of them are catalogued in the outstanding Cadillac Desert by Marc Reisner - an excellent book with an outstanding audiobook too.

    https://www.amazon.com/Cadillac-Desert-American-Disappearing...

  • darth_avocado an hour ago

    Who would’ve thought that growing water intensive crops in the middle of the desert and growing cities like Phoenix with suburbs with lush green lawns at a much higher rate than rest of the country was going to be without consequences.

      nozzlegear 31 minutes ago

      How much do the lawns in Phoenix actually contribute to this problem?

      toomuchtodo 38 minutes ago

      Just another form of debt we’ve been living off of, since the compact was established, knowing it wasn’t sustainable long term.

  • jp57 an hour ago

    The shrinking reservoirs are the immediate result of record-low snowpack this winter, which was erased by record heat in the spring. Melted snowpack creates most of the Colorado’s flow during the dry summer months. But as the Southwestern climate has grown hotter and drier, the river’s flow has become smaller and less reliable.

    Legitimate question: I can understand that record-low snowpack would cause less water to flow into the lake, but the "erasure" of the snow pack by heat is just melting that would be captured in the lake, right? So if the record-low snowpack had been followed by record cold, would we have even less water in the lake?

      psidebot 35 minutes ago

      In the mountain west warm dry springs coincide with higher winds. The blowing warm dry air leads to dramatically increased evaporation of snow melt, drying of soil, as well as increased transpiration in plants, so the total moisture loss is much higher than what you might expect simply from modeling simple heat evaporation of open water bodies.

      wampwampwhat 17 minutes ago

      university of utah has several studies on the matter. a substantial percentage of the snowpack sublimates during a heatwave, never has a chance to melt. Of the remaining snowmelt, it has to saturate the ground before any can flow to an adjacent stream to feed the water table, and the bone dry soil around here can absorb a significant amount of water.

      bix6 an hour ago

      Not all of the erasure is captured. For example, if the ground is dry, than most gets absorbed into soil and won’t make it to the river. Or the snow may sublimate and go straight to vapor at heat.

      Record cold would lead to more water. It would melt out fast later and since the soil was already recharged it would flow to rivers.

      Worth noting this is generally glacier free landscape so the snow melts fully each year.

      ImPostingOnHN an hour ago

      Aside from melting at historically fast levels, the snow itself is at record low levels. Less snow -> less snowpack -> less water.

      For data, check out the second visualization here:

      https://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/ftpref/support/states/CO/produ...

      There's no snowpack left, earlier in the season, because there's way less snow, and it's being consumed faster.

  • Ancalagon 13 minutes ago

    I do believe people in general will be fine in the soutwest for years to come. Agriculture will be cut back, natural landscapes will take over, de-sal in socal and better water treatment plants will come online.

    The ecological effects of this, though, seem so disastrous. If the Colorado river dries up, what then? The whole of the Southwest just like, dies?

  • throw-the-towel an hour ago

    I wonder if I'll live to see the evacuation of Phoenix and Las Vegas. (Or Abu Dhabi, for that matter.)

  • cnity an hour ago

    I recommend folks here read "The Dreamt Land" by Mark Arax. I just started it so it might be a premature recommendation, but it has been doing a great job for me as a new California resident of explaining the interaction between business/agriculture and the desert landscape.

  • onlypassingthru an hour ago

    Life will be fine. Exporting alfalfa from the Imperial Valley, however, might be done for.

      estearum 15 minutes ago

      Water rights unfortunately don't really work like "residents > business."

      hnav 44 minutes ago

      they'll just start pumping groundwater again which will cause huge earthquakes

  • Mistletoe 37 minutes ago

    This year was the first year I finally realized how things are going to be from now on and only getting worse. I’m a gardener and the plants are having such a tough time, many trees in my neighborhood are already bare from dropping their leaves from the heat. I’ve been looking into just landscaping with native plants moving forward that can handle the heat. I have drip irrigation, but that does nothing when air temps stay above 100 for days on end. The world isn’t prepared for this in any way. What happens when the breadbasket of your country gets like this?

  • toomuchtodo an hour ago

    There is enough water for human consumption, but agriculture is over in the basin. There simply isn’t enough water forward looking for the water intensive crops in question.

    https://coloradoriverscience.org/Agricultural_water_use

  • codemax98 24 minutes ago

    uh oh this doesn't seem good. but I feel like we've been inundated with articles like this for years so it's hard to tell when it's actually an emergency

      platevoltage 22 minutes ago

      It's been an emergency for years.

        parineum 19 minutes ago

        Emergencies are things that must be dealt with immediately or there will be immediate consequences.

          estearum 11 minutes ago

          So a broken ankle in the wilderness isn't an emergency?

          Having only 10 days of food when you expect to be 30 days away from resupply isn't an emergency?

          Would hate to be stuck in a tricky situation with you (which... it turns out I am)

          Emergencies are problems where the consequences emerge close to or earlier than the time required to mitigate it.

  • testing22321 an hour ago

    It seems more and more likely the next Great War will be fought over water.

    As a Canadian, I get nervous when I see the US running out.

      onlypassingthru an hour ago

      The US is nowhere near running out. Big Ag might have to cut back on growing thirsty crops in the middle of the deserts, though.

      thegrim33 29 minutes ago

      One of the great lakes alone (Ontario) contains enough fresh water that it could supply the lifetime water requirements of 28 billion people.

      kibwen an hour ago

      Wars will be fought over water, but of all the foolish reasons the US could invade Canada over, water isn't one of them. The US has ample shoreline on every Great Lake, and essentially none of the Mississippi watershed lies north of the border.

      hex4def6 an hour ago

      https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/fresh-wat...

      You have nearly 10 times the freshwater per capita compared to the US. How selfish /s.

      Let's thinks of a casus belli. How about something like: "Trillions of gallons of fresh water flow uselessly into the frozen northern seas every year due to Canadian inaction. We are stepping in to build the infrastructure needed to save that water and feed the continent. "