67 comments

  • VCFundedGenYer an hour ago

    There seem to be very few adults in the room at Google as of the past few years. This also happened with Bard's (remember when they thought Bard was a good name?) racist image generator. Does nobody do QA, UAT, or UX testing anymore?

      fullstop 35 minutes ago

      I got Bard to execute a fork bomb, I think, when it was first launched. I noticed that it was evaluating the flow of a shell script incorrectly and it allowed execution, then refused to respond for 20 or 30 minutes.

      Now, for some users, sharing a YouTube link adds some sort of tracking which then asks people who open the link to be "friends" with the person who shared it. Who thinks that this is a good idea, and why isn't it opt-in?

      It's hard to take Google seriously these days.

      threatripper 43 minutes ago

      Do you get promoted for not launching a product? The interests of the individual and the institution do not always perfectly align.

        cyanregiment 23 minutes ago

        People who want to destroy you at work (which I imagine is rampant at Google) will sometimes prevent you from doing something, but they might also encourage you to do it in such a way that you fail spectacularly.

        Some of my favorites from my career:

        1. PM enticing me to "volunteer" to build a PoC over the weekend, to have it ready by Monday morning – come Monday, PoC is shipped live to all international customers. It was nowhere near prod ready, it was just to demo 1 thing.

        Naturally, endless tickets open asking about missing functionality, and changes to the dashboard, "Nothing works!".

        I'm in Slack talking to customer support like "Sorry I don't know why they launched it, it's not even close to being done". I've had nightmares about this kinda thing before, and then it happened lol. Anyway it was easy to paint the image that I'm just trash, biting off more than I can chew, can't let me near anything, and I got fired for it. They want back to maintenance mode.

        It was a simple dashboard that looked great (for investors) and solved problems for customers, but there was no way the other guys on the team were going to let me launch that thing. Rather than stop it, they just "helped" get it out early. Project dead, they never built that.

        2. And on the other end where I was stopped from launching something, I've had 2 devs go in league to say that code I was writing was a huge security risk (front-end React) and kept saying in meetings "Yeah I saw some things" without pointing out exactly what.

        At some point one of them just irreversibly deletes all the branches related to it, live in standup, and puffs his chest "Yeah sorry guys we're not releasing this stuff, I'm worried about code quality" basically got him promoted to CTO.

        So yeah I imagine politics and mind games happen all the time at Google, and it's probably very confusing what is or is not a good idea, what will work and will not work, because of the massive distraction of everyone backstabbing and preparing to backstab.

          steveBK123 7 minutes ago

          > but they might also encourage you to do it in such a way that you fail spectacularly.

          A skill one must develop is identifying no-win-scenario tasks that can be avoided. POCs are often such tasks.

          A teammate and I got roped into some POC where everyone in the room seemed to silently agree the product was not fit for purpose. The meetings went in circles of seemingly trying to find anything they could do to use the product, rather than assessing it objectively on the use case the vendor pitched.

          Behind the scenes it turned out the product was being pushed by someone seniors brother. So the thing was getting bought no matter what. What they were really looking for was the patsy to own finding any sort of use case for the stupid thing, integrating it and owning it.

          Obviously a "the product cannot fail, it can only be failed" scenario. Run run run away.

        phoghed 36 minutes ago

        The reverse of this is also bad. Numerous arduous processes that exist mostly because the people who ship nothing far outnumber those who do. I imagine striking a perfect balance is difficult.

        breppp 35 minutes ago

        The issue here is probably because you need to show how your work relates to AI to get promoted

      obscurette 11 minutes ago

      It's a pattern much wider than Google or event technology sector. It's very apparent in AI craze trough society, public governance sector, journalism etc. For people like me (growing up in seventies) it seems that there is teenagers everywhere and nobody is responsible for anything any more.

      projectileboy 44 minutes ago

      Google has always been a technology company, never a product company. It’s very deep in their DNA.

      JV00 36 minutes ago

      They are good products, it’s just hard to prevent people from abusing them

      jstummbillig 33 minutes ago

      Making bad mistakes is childish? Or correcting them?

        BugsJustFindMe 22 minutes ago

        Exercising zero political awareness or foresight or understanding of people. The problem isn't that this was a mistake. The problem is that this mistake was obvious from a mile away to anyone who pays any attention to the world.

        Also, the given justification for the feature was absolutely silly.

      profsummergig 28 minutes ago

      What red flags would the name "Bard" have raised for you if you were on that team?

        pjio 14 minutes ago

        Maybe I missed the reference like with Claude for Claude Shannon, but Bard always sounded like "Bart (Simpson)" to me.

      baxtr 37 minutes ago

      Google’s culture seems so different from Apple’s which sometimes comes across as overly mature… which I personally prefer though!

        steveBK123 2 minutes ago

        Steve Job's mantra was that what you say No to is even more important than what you say Yes to.

        Arguably dragging their heels on Apple Intelligence was an inadvertent form of this. Or years of working on a car but never releasing it. Or the other various rumored long-running prototypes/projects that never see the light of day.

        There is someone with taste with authority to say no before slop is pushed onto the market, at least more often than their competitors. It's gotten worse over the years, but that reflex is still there on a relative basis.

      binary132 40 minutes ago

      what’s wrong with the name Bard?

        apercu 28 minutes ago

        I imagine because Bards never let the truth get in the way of a good story?

        mikeweiss 35 minutes ago

        I preferred it to Gemini

      hbcdbff 37 minutes ago

      Google is no longer a technology company, it’s a vehicle for engineers to acquire wealth via promotions

      hollow-moe 33 minutes ago

      Didn't the saying go something like "go fast, break law" ?

  • angrydev an hour ago

    Here is the original blog post, in case anyone is curious about the 'good path' https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/earth/na...

    > Ex: Help students visualize the past instead of just reading about it. Teachers can show their classroom a historic site and type, “Render a hyper-realistic view of what these Pompeii ruins looked like in 78 A.D.” The modern-day ruins will instantly transform into a bustling, colorful street scene from the Roman Empire.

      ofjcihen 30 minutes ago

      There are a metric boatload of these visualizations created to accompany history texts etc.

      AI for image generation is great but I’m struggling to figure out why you would ever use this if it’s confined to satellite imagery.

      coldpie 35 minutes ago

      This is all so fucking stupid.

        Gigachad 26 minutes ago

        Managers all have AI psychosis right now and the only way to get by is going along with their nonsense.

          coldpie 19 minutes ago

          The bubble needs to burst already. Everyone so braindead that they actually build and ship a product like this fucking garbage needs to be out on the street.

          Like, read that fucking prompt again. If that doesn't make you want to stick forks in your eyes, you're deep, deep in the psychosis.

            steveBK123 11 minutes ago

            Yes, at some point the world needs to accept that these tools are very good, to a limit, for specific human augmentation uses (coding, text manipulation) and stop pretending the TAM is "replace all white collar work across the globe".

  • reenorap 17 minutes ago

    I think if Google stopped retreating so quickly with its tail between its legs after getting “embarrassed”, people would stop caring. All of the “sins” that were created via this is nothing that other AI couldn’t produce either.

    Part of the sport in making Google look bad is because they know Google will predictably cower when they are embarrassed. If they just said “ya, sometimes people will make bad pics but who cares?” people would stop caring.

    Everything that Ars Technica found in my opinion is nothing that other AI image generators couldn’t do on their own. What’s the big deal?

  • rdtsc an hour ago

    What did that even do. Generate imaginary buildings and structures?

    I am almost sure this was something for a performance or promotion: “Used AI effectively to…”

  • inigyou an hour ago
  • intexpress 26 minutes ago

    I liked the feature (once I figured out how to access it, so confusing). But it only let you generate 1 image per day. So kind of useless.

  • AlexAplin 44 minutes ago

    Any boast about AI accelerating the development lifecycle comes with an equal or greater stock that examples like this become more frequent when there are less opportunities for someone to interrupt them with a smidge of common sense.

  • 650 33 minutes ago

    Product managers at Google have a strangehold on their bad releases. It's become a whole thing for engineers to have to please their XFN (cross functional) partners in product and UX for review cycles and promos.

  • witx an hour ago

    Good, it was a piece of bad software not to call other things. Who though it was a good idea?

  • vvbull 36 minutes ago

    This is predictable... they built a misinformation engine capable of generating things like falsified drone strikes, terrorist attacks, industrial accidents, and threatening images. Seems like no one paused and thought "what would the malicious internet do with this?"

      zb3 22 minutes ago

      But we can already generate these images via image editing models, so what's new here?

  • zb3 18 minutes ago

    They'll shove AI everywhere, whether it makes sense or not doesn't matter. Sundar said "AI" needs to be everywhere, so they hope integrating AI into X will get them promoted. And unfortunately, this might even work..

  • cryo32 22 minutes ago

    I’d suggest anyone knee deep in AI reads the comments on this one. Then remember that they’re your market and customers.

    It has got to the point it’s poison outside the niche tech bubble.

  • bradfitz 43 minutes ago

    Well now I want to see the images that got this taken down.

  • trial3 an hour ago

    i’m struggling to think of a reason to use this other than shitposting

      mistrial9 an hour ago

      invalidate all remote sensing imagery from this day forward?

      pluc an hour ago

      any new data is good data

      - all the AI corps

      whycome an hour ago

      What even was this

        boredpudding an hour ago

        You could take an area of Google Earth and let it be 'improved' by AI. So you could add a playground instead of a parking lot, or add migrants near a border post.

        Due to consequences unforeseen by Google, it was used more for the latter.

  • enraged_camel an hour ago

    I honestly don't know what the hell Google was thinking. I know shoving AI into everything is the rage these days, but this is simply an even more insane way to demolish the credibility of your own product than the AI overviews in Google Search.

    Glad they came to their senses quickly.

      hidelooktropic an hour ago

      I like the AI overviews.

        inigyou an hour ago

        That's how they get you. They are trained to make you like them. They are not trained to convey true information.

          steveBK123 20 minutes ago

          Yes, they are at best misleading and often just present dangerously incomplete or misdirecting information. The more you know about a topic the more appalling the summary.

          I check variations of this search every month and it still fails at a reasonably high rate https://imgur.com/a/tKSQuA3

            d4v3 13 minutes ago

            Can you elaborate? Are they not toxic? Are they toxic, but the chemical analysis wrong?

              steveBK123 6 minutes ago

              If you asked your wife "is it ok if I did X" and she said "YES, its not ok to do that.." would that be normal behavior?

        pennomi 44 minutes ago

        I find them irritating because they will link a source entirely unrelated to (or worse, directly contradicting) the fact they are claiming. The Google AI summaries might be the most blatantly hallucinating model widely deployed right now.

        I’ve had them abruptly try to turn mathematical theorems into cooking recipes before cutting off mid-sentence in a panic.

        jjulius 42 minutes ago

        YMMV, but nearly every one I read has a glaringly incorrect comment. I frequently research off-trail mountaineering routes and the incorrect bullshit it confidently spouts at the top of a list of results (results which very much counter the AI overview) is liable to end up getting someone hurt, lost, or worse.

          steveBK123 13 minutes ago

          I also see this failure mode where it inverts the question and answer the affirmative to the inverted question (therefore the opposite of correct answer).

          If you read too quickly or are on a mobile device, the clarifying information may be below the line break.

          https://imgur.com/a/tKSQuA3

          on a mobile device (iPhone Pro Max) with Large Text enabled you can see how the clarifying text starts to roll over to the next line:

          https://imgur.com/a/wvNspMT

          Imagine a senior on an older smaller phone with large text enabled, easily missing the Opposite Day answer.

          Zigurd 28 minutes ago

          I suppose I could think of worse use cases like: give me a recipe for a sketchy peptide shake, but not by much.

        nkrisc 41 minutes ago

        Not every technology needs to exist simply because it’s possible.

  • KinetiNode an hour ago

    there was something like this? i didn't even know lmao anyways that was to be expected , like AI in Google Earth??? C'mon