Grok has had far too many instances where its clear that the team building it cannot be trusted and does not care to build trustworthy products.
I highly caution anyone from using any tools from xAi, as they have clearly shown themselves to be bad actors within the space.
It's not ad hominem. The head is a strongly polarizing individual. People working for him must either be gravely apathetic or at least of a similar polarity.
The comment actually describes a known social process, with a reasonable base assumption given that said leadership has shown a pattern in this regard.
Just throwing out debate terms in response seems not so serious, tbh.
You can't separate the man or his business from the politics, he wades into every political debate he can and deliberately tries to troll as many of his perceived enemies as possible.
Aside from their CEO are they really that different from the other big US players? OpenAI, Anthropic and Google all have proven themselves to be untrustworthy as well. We should accept that we have an adversarial relationship with all these companies and shouldn't invest to much in any of them. Use them for what they are worth while the technology matures but be prepared to move on.
I wonder if releasing this may have been on the roadmap, but been prioritized as a bit of whiplash following the "you forfeit the entirety of your working directory as a condition of working with this tool" upset from a few days ago.
Everything is moving to frontier labs inserting themselves into work you do. Model quality, while important, is gradually becoming a commodity. Especially when you consider most work tasks we would assign an agent can now trivially be done with simpler models than even a year ago.
Better, strategically, for you to be locked-in to their tool to do your job. The new Microsoft of sorts?
Interesting - seen some good experiencences in using grok by some devs, so maybe could be considered as an alternative to my beloved chinese models. Also, hard to give up on pi agent.
I'll probably never use this, but at least they're not delusional enough to attempt to justify keeping their coding agent closed-source, especially after their recent data-harvesting cockup:
Please don't just post the most obvious snarky comment about a given topic. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Grok has had far too many instances where its clear that the team building it cannot be trusted and does not care to build trustworthy products. I highly caution anyone from using any tools from xAi, as they have clearly shown themselves to be bad actors within the space.
It's Apache 2.0. You can have your agents audit it if you want.
What does this release have to do with "trusting" XAI?
Your choice is Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, or the Chinese. Who are the good actors within the space?
Not Edolf
Unfortunately self-selecting because of their leadership.
Ad hominem, not a serious argument.
It's not ad hominem. The head is a strongly polarizing individual. People working for him must either be gravely apathetic or at least of a similar polarity.
The comment actually describes a known social process, with a reasonable base assumption given that said leadership has shown a pattern in this regard.
Just throwing out debate terms in response seems not so serious, tbh.
Not a serious company or CEO either. Have you seen that gesture of him trying to summon the Luftwaffe?
explain why it's an ad hominem
They made it open source. Are you just trying to be bad faith here? Isn't this what the community was asking for?
Any criticism in a thread related to anything Elon Musk is made in “bad faith” nowadays. That’s a community of personality.
Understandably
by this standard no good faith criticism of anything musk-adjacent is possible
Then you better not use Claude Code.
Do you have any examples to illustrate these extraordinary claims?
The many controversies are not hard to find as the children to your comment will show.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/technology/grok-x-ai-elon...
They had a bug in their model that they fixed within days is evidence they are "untrustworthy"?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48892468
read the top comment
read any of your other replies
https://boingboing.net/2026/01/06/x-faces-global-investigati...
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/grok-s...
https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/05/xais-grok-suddenly-cant-s...
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/google-making-changes...
https://apnews.com/article/grok-ai-elon-musk-xai-f3f8195a176...
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/grok-assumes-use...
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/07/grok-praises-hit...
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/03/elon-musks-xai-s...
https://apnews.com/article/grok-4-elon-musk-xai-colossus-14d...
https://apnews.com/article/grok-ai-south-africa-64ce5f240061...
https://apnews.com/article/france-ai-musk-grok-holocaust-e8c...
getting into politics again...
I think examples such as letting people nudify children qualifies xAI as a bad actor without having to be political.
How is it possible for deciding whether or not to build on the labor of some other organized group of people to not be politics?
Grok is a generator of child sexual assault material.
You can't separate the man or his business from the politics, he wades into every political debate he can and deliberately tries to troll as many of his perceived enemies as possible.
Aside from their CEO are they really that different from the other big US players? OpenAI, Anthropic and Google all have proven themselves to be untrustworthy as well. We should accept that we have an adversarial relationship with all these companies and shouldn't invest to much in any of them. Use them for what they are worth while the technology matures but be prepared to move on.
Oh yeah, aside from their CEO? OK.
Is this the infamous "cloud upload" routine? I'm not sure it is indeed insidious, though it is of course possible that the code has been filtered out. https://github.com/xai-org/grok-build/blob/main/crates/codeg...
I wonder if releasing this may have been on the roadmap, but been prioritized as a bit of whiplash following the "you forfeit the entirety of your working directory as a condition of working with this tool" upset from a few days ago.
But I thought just cutting and pasting your whole source code file into grok.com was the way to go? Better than a harness like Cursor.
https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1943178423947661609
Issues page disabled. What a bunch of snowflakes
Why snowflakes? You can use /feedback in the app.
Everything is moving to frontier labs inserting themselves into work you do. Model quality, while important, is gradually becoming a commodity. Especially when you consider most work tasks we would assign an agent can now trivially be done with simpler models than even a year ago.
Better, strategically, for you to be locked-in to their tool to do your job. The new Microsoft of sorts?
Interesting - seen some good experiencences in using grok by some devs, so maybe could be considered as an alternative to my beloved chinese models. Also, hard to give up on pi agent.
I'll probably never use this, but at least they're not delusional enough to attempt to justify keeping their coding agent closed-source, especially after their recent data-harvesting cockup:
https://cereblab.com/
Let's all upload our home directories to GCP at the same time. 3... 2... 1... go!
Neat, trying to reverse engineer some specifics of how it does stuff has been a pain in the ass, and this will make it easier.
Sigh, why has the industry converged on TUI? Branding and aesthetics over functionality?
TUI is just much worse for me. I tried Codex CLI vs Codex UI and Codex UI beats it at every level.
Does this also just directly suck all your code up and make a copy of it on their servers?
Please don't just post the most obvious snarky comment about a given topic. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Honestly a great question. I mean if it’s open source someone will check (I don’t use xAI but believe me I would be checking first if I did).