Huge props to just sticking with the HTTP spec on this one with `Cache-Control` headers with `stale-while-revalidate` support. It's amazing how many other providers mess that up.
On top of that the cache tags are a slick way to do invalidation. This looks like a great product.
> This is the caching API we've always wanted Workers to have. Here's why it took us this long
I was looking forward to the "why it took us this long" explanation but it wasn't explicitly spelled out. Any Cloudflare staff here able to expand on that?
(The article does a good job of showing how many different smart design decisions went into this, but given caching is core to what a Cloudflare does I'm still a little surprised it took 9 years to get here!)
People that don't like writing now get to write by offloading it to an LLM, and this is the result. I miss the world where articles were mostly written by people who had the interest and patience to do it.
Reinventing the web, one service at a time. Is it really that hard to build things like this on a per-case base, small scale, all on a bare bones VPS? Do we need a global gateway to help us not screw up the basics? Service looks nice but makes me sad somehow.
Amazing, exactly what Workers lacked, I was quite annoyed that a worker would spin up when 99% of my requests then return a cache. Waste of 3ms, times millions.
When Workers Cache is enabled, every cacheable request to your Worker hits Cloudflare's cache first. If there's a fresh cached response, Cloudflare returns it directly — your Worker doesn't run, and you don't pay CPU time for it. On a miss, your Worker runs, and if your response is cacheable, Cloudflare stores it for the next request. The next request from anywhere on Earth can be served straight from cache.
Incredible! This is why I shoehorn all my server side usecases on to the Workers Platform. Cloudflare, since 2020 when I first went all-in, has consistently shipped features that reduce bills significantly (except for 2023 Workers usage model changes). In one case, when they shipped free Snippets (Workers but 32kb code size & 5s CPU time) for Pro accounts ($200/yr), our bills went from £15k+ to £0.
I know about the infamous "Enterprise plan" (especially, when your bandwidth is as high as ours in 100s of TBs) and know of at least one other tech shop that was required to pay for it ... but we haven't got that sales call, yet.
Our bandwidth is very high, we constantly get invited onto the call with their team, but after talking with them a few times it makes absolutely zero sense for us to have a committed spend, all the stuff I needed an account manager for in GCP/AWS just doesn't exist in CF. Support wise I imagine if it's broken for us it's also broken for 2 million other people so... yeah... Thanks CF!
One of the recent AI tells other than em dash is the excessive usage of hyphenated words:
> multi-tenant-safe cache keys
> on a server-rendered app
> byte-for-byte identical (classic)
> gets a cache-speed response
> cached-file-extensions list
Honestly, this is terrible. I had to add a "use simple words only, don't hyphenate unnecessarily" warning to my Claude config. After a full day of work, having to read these Claudisms all the time make a noticeable difference on how tired you get. It gets even worse when Claude starts to make up its own vocabulary.
Fuck, I spent all these years developing a thoughtful writing style that leaned toward clarity for the reader, even if it meant extra work to achieve precision, or adding affordances like “excessive” hyphenation, and now I guess have to learn to write worse.
There is a world of difference between well-written human text and sloppy walls of AI-generated text. There's nothing wrong in using hyphenations or emdashes -- I use them myself! That's not the point of my comment.
Whether we like it or not, em dashes are effectively verboten in online discussions and blog posts if you want people to take you seriously. If the idea that excessive hyphenation is an AI tell gains traction, it too will become impossible to use without ruining your credibility.
What does it mean when prompting SoTA LLMs prone to slop to be concise and precise, with respect to context at hand, not work at all? Anyone benchmarking that?
They could just feed an llm a small corpus of past human authored posts from their site, and have the LLM rewrite it in a style matching style, and it would likely turn out pretty great.
"slop" doesn't mean "AI generated content", it means bad content, a waste of the reader's time. Grantparent's implication is that your comment was bad content, not that it was AI generated bad content.
Not the original commenter; but, at least for me, the idea is that when it’s written by humans we know that effort and care were put into communicating the news. Otherwise they could post a link to the docs and we could ask my flavor of LLM to summerize. No need for extra filler content. That why it’s slop and it’s different.
I don’t have access to my flavor of LLM on the train nor the time or budget to have it do the research and summary for me
Why are we all of a sudden pretending like pre-LLM era blogs were these pristinely well written pieces of art or even that effort and care was put into them? In most cases they were significantly less coherent and incomplete. Don’t get me started on the mess that was the communication of this particular company or one of their competitors like AWS.
Huge props to just sticking with the HTTP spec on this one with `Cache-Control` headers with `stale-while-revalidate` support. It's amazing how many other providers mess that up.
On top of that the cache tags are a slick way to do invalidation. This looks like a great product.
> This is the caching API we've always wanted Workers to have. Here's why it took us this long
I was looking forward to the "why it took us this long" explanation but it wasn't explicitly spelled out. Any Cloudflare staff here able to expand on that?
(The article does a good job of showing how many different smart design decisions went into this, but given caching is core to what a Cloudflare does I'm still a little surprised it took 9 years to get here!)
Great feature. Although I’m starting to get annoyed by obvious signs of LLM writing like no X, no Y etc.
People that don't like writing now get to write by offloading it to an LLM, and this is the result. I miss the world where articles were mostly written by people who had the interest and patience to do it.
finally, this was needed.
A big worry was always "why does workers sit in front of my cache? that's a waste of an invocation if i'm returning a cached result"
Reinventing the web, one service at a time. Is it really that hard to build things like this on a per-case base, small scale, all on a bare bones VPS? Do we need a global gateway to help us not screw up the basics? Service looks nice but makes me sad somehow.
Amazing, exactly what Workers lacked, I was quite annoyed that a worker would spin up when 99% of my requests then return a cache. Waste of 3ms, times millions.
Finally proper stale-while-revalidate support!
curious, how does one configure something like this for AWS Lambda? Appreciate it.
I am assuming it is a bunch of manual work.
Equivalent is probably putting AWS CloudFront in front of your lambda. Has edge caching with customizable config.
You use Cloudfront. Which you’re already doing anyway but yes, you do need to configure it.
Technically, probably CloudFront.
Does anything beat a free static site hosted with Cloudflare workers at this point, performance wise?
Very difficult to beat if you don't process or store private information that should not be given to the US company.
I know about the infamous "Enterprise plan" (especially, when your bandwidth is as high as ours in 100s of TBs) and know of at least one other tech shop that was required to pay for it ... but we haven't got that sales call, yet.
Our bandwidth is very high, we constantly get invited onto the call with their team, but after talking with them a few times it makes absolutely zero sense for us to have a committed spend, all the stuff I needed an account manager for in GCP/AWS just doesn't exist in CF. Support wise I imagine if it's broken for us it's also broken for 2 million other people so... yeah... Thanks CF!
The feature is great. The post itself is a slop grenade.
One of the recent AI tells other than em dash is the excessive usage of hyphenated words:
> multi-tenant-safe cache keys
> on a server-rendered app
> byte-for-byte identical (classic)
> gets a cache-speed response
> cached-file-extensions list
Honestly, this is terrible. I had to add a "use simple words only, don't hyphenate unnecessarily" warning to my Claude config. After a full day of work, having to read these Claudisms all the time make a noticeable difference on how tired you get. It gets even worse when Claude starts to make up its own vocabulary.
Fuck, I spent all these years developing a thoughtful writing style that leaned toward clarity for the reader, even if it meant extra work to achieve precision, or adding affordances like “excessive” hyphenation, and now I guess have to learn to write worse.
There is a world of difference between well-written human text and sloppy walls of AI-generated text. There's nothing wrong in using hyphenations or emdashes -- I use them myself! That's not the point of my comment.
Whether we like it or not, em dashes are effectively verboten in online discussions and blog posts if you want people to take you seriously. If the idea that excessive hyphenation is an AI tell gains traction, it too will become impossible to use without ruining your credibility.
What does it mean when prompting SoTA LLMs prone to slop to be concise and precise, with respect to context at hand, not work at all? Anyone benchmarking that?
It does feel a bit like the LLMs have commoditised correct writing form, and all the plebs are all up in arms about it...
I have an over-hyphenated writing-style as well. Probably my Germanness.
I opine that over-hyphenation adds clarity.
One of the earliest tells was the use of emdashes.
Billion dollar company can't afford one human copywriter. The future is great! (edit: copyrighter -> copywriter)
They could just feed an llm a small corpus of past human authored posts from their site, and have the LLM rewrite it in a style matching style, and it would likely turn out pretty great.
I've tried this with my own blog posts from blog.jgc.org and the result was... not good. It basically wrote something that read like a parody.
Neither can you afford a copywriter, evidently?
Modern cloudflare in a nutshell.
Can you elaborate? I read it, found the concepts well explained, walked away better informed.
Responding to alleged slop with more slop doesn’t decrease the total amount of slop on the internet.
You think I'm using AI to leave comments like this on HN?
"slop" doesn't mean "AI generated content", it means bad content, a waste of the reader's time. Grantparent's implication is that your comment was bad content, not that it was AI generated bad content.
I was riffing off of the meaning from https://noslopgrenade.com/ which made its way around the comments here on HN a few weeks ago.
Not the original commenter; but, at least for me, the idea is that when it’s written by humans we know that effort and care were put into communicating the news. Otherwise they could post a link to the docs and we could ask my flavor of LLM to summerize. No need for extra filler content. That why it’s slop and it’s different.
I don’t have access to my flavor of LLM on the train nor the time or budget to have it do the research and summary for me
Why are we all of a sudden pretending like pre-LLM era blogs were these pristinely well written pieces of art or even that effort and care was put into them? In most cases they were significantly less coherent and incomplete. Don’t get me started on the mess that was the communication of this particular company or one of their competitors like AWS.
now, waiting for opennext adapter maintainers to catchup with it
use vinext! (now 1.0 beta) https://vinext.dev/ https://x.com/James_Elicx/status/2073457440461303836
it already uses Workers Cache for the route-level ISR cache