Not sure relying on a bunch of various VCS to stay online is necessarily a great approach either.
I think go is also a little more amenable to source library distribution since there's a pretty broad pure go ecosystem. For interpreted languages, a lot of performance sensitive stuff tends to be offloaded to arbitrary compiled languages so you end up needing a bunch of different toolchains to get everything working. A statically linked binary library is a useful abstraction layer.
There’s no perfect solution here. Publishing to a separate registry can survive a Git repo rename, migration or deletion. Locking into a Git host seems undesirable. By separating VCS and registry they can offer different feature sets. There’s also nothing stopping someone from publishing to multiple registries.
if you mean nix the state declaration, it is a ilusion. when you have packge for debian 12... you just install it. when you have debian 13, you need the package for debian 13 and there's no way around it. nix lies that you don't have to worry about all that. which is only as true as is true with packages. if you can replace -12 with -13 in a non nix setup, your nix "package x" will still work. otherwise you will have to deal with it, just with more layers.
if you mean nixos, that's just starting yet another distro maintenance issue from scratch
Maybe everyone else is too young to remember left-pad, but in the wake of left-pad everyone learned that one of the primary selling points of dedicated dependency repositories is that they can refuse to support "unpublishing" a dependency, which is not a guarantee that Github (or any other popular forge) makes.
Packages are typically different once published than they were inside their original repositories. Call it transpilation, build, compilation, packaging, etc, most popular projects require some level of support for dynamic code execution before reaching their usable state.
As much as I'd have liked Git to be a viable option compared to centralized registries, last couple of years demonstrated running arbitrary commands during install is too much of a risk for it to work at scale.
...most popular projects require some level of support for dynamic code execution before reaching their usable state.
None of your examples require arbitrary script execution. You can specify them all declaratively, like Bazel forces you to do. I don't think that package managers should be doing the job of a build system though.
Not sure relying on a bunch of various VCS to stay online is necessarily a great approach either.
I think go is also a little more amenable to source library distribution since there's a pretty broad pure go ecosystem. For interpreted languages, a lot of performance sensitive stuff tends to be offloaded to arbitrary compiled languages so you end up needing a bunch of different toolchains to get everything working. A statically linked binary library is a useful abstraction layer.
There’s no perfect solution here. Publishing to a separate registry can survive a Git repo rename, migration or deletion. Locking into a Git host seems undesirable. By separating VCS and registry they can offer different feature sets. There’s also nothing stopping someone from publishing to multiple registries.
FWIW, Go provides a mechanism to abstract the import source, so you can use a vanity domain under your control that resolves to your host of choice.
The almost perfect solution is Nix
Why almost?
if you mean nix the state declaration, it is a ilusion. when you have packge for debian 12... you just install it. when you have debian 13, you need the package for debian 13 and there's no way around it. nix lies that you don't have to worry about all that. which is only as true as is true with packages. if you can replace -12 with -13 in a non nix setup, your nix "package x" will still work. otherwise you will have to deal with it, just with more layers.
if you mean nixos, that's just starting yet another distro maintenance issue from scratch
I’m super interested. Y your comment about nix but am not following your example.
Would you mind elaborating why (presumably) nixos (since you gave a Debian example), doesn’t help with this.
Maybe everyone else is too young to remember left-pad, but in the wake of left-pad everyone learned that one of the primary selling points of dedicated dependency repositories is that they can refuse to support "unpublishing" a dependency, which is not a guarantee that Github (or any other popular forge) makes.
> Maybe everyone else is too young to remember left-pad
It wasn't that long ago...
Packages are typically different once published than they were inside their original repositories. Call it transpilation, build, compilation, packaging, etc, most popular projects require some level of support for dynamic code execution before reaching their usable state.
As much as I'd have liked Git to be a viable option compared to centralized registries, last couple of years demonstrated running arbitrary commands during install is too much of a risk for it to work at scale.