They're going to continue abusing people, injuring them, killing them and violating their rights because there's no accountability. The administration endorses this behavior.
Dissolve ICE, dissolve DHS, impeach Noem and prosecute and or bar every single ERO agent from future public service.
The promise made was that they were going after "bad people", e.g., murderers, rapists, etc. I don't think many people have a problem with that.
But that's not who they're going after, it's everybody, with a focus on ethnic cleansing. It is no longer hyperbole to compare what's happening now to Germany in the 1930's.
Agreed. They've made it quite clear that they intend to label any dissent or protest as terrorism and use force to suppress it. I don't see how the situation will improve. Perhaps if the 3.5% rule holds true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule
Fully agreed. This is a violation of the spirit of the law and will make everyone view law enforcement agents as untrustworthy protectors of our Constitution.
But who holds them accountable? The DOJ right? Is that who can pursue a case against government officials violating constitutional rights? If so, it’s not enough. We need a rethink of checks and balances. This was clear even after the first Trump administration but we’re well past that now, and in this first year the second Trump administration has conducted a lot more violations.
The DOJ under this administration will abet these violations. Every department that would normally serve as a check is now headed by a feckless loyalist.
Why do people flag anything related to ice coverage? Ice are literal nazis cracking down on dissent, dont support the administration. You gain nothing for fighting their battles online.
I can only speak for myself. If the news article has anything to do with tech and things "interesting to hackers", I upvote. For example, the article about Palantir and ICE yesterday [1]. But articles like this one have nothing interesting to me. There are plenty of other places to discuss this like BlueSky, X, reddit, Facebook, etc. I beg you to please spare this last interesting forum.
Also it pisses me off how nobody talks about certain very relevant elephants in the room on these discussions. And it's more like venting and coping. Nobody will change their minds. Nothing will be done. Nothing is learned.
I'm flagging because early on these obvious alerting news got flagged within seconds, while the equally political happenings, the less immigration-related thus somehow more relevant and appropriate ones, were tolerated.
I have since decided that this site does not deserve to know.
The people running YC and their entire social circle voted for this. Half of them are still riding the grift. Now they are all practicing for their Persilschein.
I think I can understand why someone from Europe or wherever else might flag these stories because they're not interested (...ignoring the whole Greenland elephant in the room for a second), but given that Scott Adams got a massive post on here despite the thread being mostly political shitflinging for obvious reasons it's really lowering my overall opinion of your average HN user. I'm increasingly inclined to say they need to show some information on who's flagging and why, especially if there's a consistent pattern and time of who is doing said flagging.
Some of the posts break thru the wave of people seemingly flagging these stories immediately like the Palantir stories but otherwise your best bet is having show dead on and looking in /Active instead.
Because the people who comment in these threads tend to be mind-killed by politics, and it serves very little purpose to have a threads full of such opinions.
I’ve been able to have some quality discussions around these issues but I get your perspective. I hope at some point soon, we as a country, can go back to viewing politics as a rational and civil discussion of differences in policy approaches rather than as a tribal team sport or as an excuse to push extremist positions.
I do not think it will. The Democratic Party is not an opposition party in its current form. The GOP will likely hold on to power in a fashion consistent with historical authoritarian takeovers.
Given the administration is openly talking about not having elections, I am not sure it can. I am guessing all this chatter about the insurrection act is itself a cover to not have midterms. Will that be enough to spark mass protests and general strikes? I am not sure. I genuinely think the ability for massively violating acts to be normalized quickly is unprecedented. Anything is possible.
This is guaranteed to blow up international trade with the US and one thing is for damn sure - that will silicon valley suffer enormously. It does not make sense.
The GF and I have had multiple conversations about how all these seemingly intelligent people don't: 1) care about anybody else; 2) realize that this too will negatively affect their lives; and I've come to the conclusion that these people are devoid of empathy, and they are narcissists who view themselves as being too important and powerful to be messed with. They'd never do that to me! That would never happen to me!
‘“We were there for a check-in and the original officer said, ‘This looks good, I’ll be right back,’” Prokosch said. “And then there was a lot of chaos, and about five officers came out and then they said, ‘We’re going to be taking him back into custody.’ I was like, ‘Really, you want to do this again?’”’
So the judge ruled the original detention unconstitutional, and then they asked him to “check in” as a deceptive ruse to detain him again? The idea being this time it is constitutional?
They're going to continue abusing people, injuring them, killing them and violating their rights because there's no accountability. The administration endorses this behavior.
Dissolve ICE, dissolve DHS, impeach Noem and prosecute and or bar every single ERO agent from future public service.
The promise made was that they were going after "bad people", e.g., murderers, rapists, etc. I don't think many people have a problem with that.
But that's not who they're going after, it's everybody, with a focus on ethnic cleansing. It is no longer hyperbole to compare what's happening now to Germany in the 1930's.
Agreed. They've made it quite clear that they intend to label any dissent or protest as terrorism and use force to suppress it. I don't see how the situation will improve. Perhaps if the 3.5% rule holds true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule
The promise that was made was to go after the type of people you described - first. Not to stop after them.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgrnn8zxdego
In my view, no immunity attaches to a "law enforcement" officer's knowing violation of the letter or the spirit of court orders.
Fully agreed. This is a violation of the spirit of the law and will make everyone view law enforcement agents as untrustworthy protectors of our Constitution.
But who holds them accountable? The DOJ right? Is that who can pursue a case against government officials violating constitutional rights? If so, it’s not enough. We need a rethink of checks and balances. This was clear even after the first Trump administration but we’re well past that now, and in this first year the second Trump administration has conducted a lot more violations.
Sadly, it seems clear at this point it is going to fall to the citizens of these states united to hold them to account.
The DOJ under this administration will abet these violations. Every department that would normally serve as a check is now headed by a feckless loyalist.
Why do people flag anything related to ice coverage? Ice are literal nazis cracking down on dissent, dont support the administration. You gain nothing for fighting their battles online.
I can only speak for myself. If the news article has anything to do with tech and things "interesting to hackers", I upvote. For example, the article about Palantir and ICE yesterday [1]. But articles like this one have nothing interesting to me. There are plenty of other places to discuss this like BlueSky, X, reddit, Facebook, etc. I beg you to please spare this last interesting forum.
Also it pisses me off how nobody talks about certain very relevant elephants in the room on these discussions. And it's more like venting and coping. Nobody will change their minds. Nothing will be done. Nothing is learned.
Note: I am not American.
[1] "The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46633378 622 points and 886 comments
"But articles like this one have nothing interesting to me".
When a post is of no interest to me, I ignore it. I don't read all the comments and reply to the 20th one.
Good point. That does seem contradictory.
Fair position. What are the relevant elephants in the room in your opinion, just out of genuine curiosity?
I'm flagging because early on these obvious alerting news got flagged within seconds, while the equally political happenings, the less immigration-related thus somehow more relevant and appropriate ones, were tolerated.
I have since decided that this site does not deserve to know.
Interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing.
It’s absolutely an effort to suppress criticism and/or try to deny the now undeniable by some HN users
Unfortunately lot of pedophile protectors.
The people running YC and their entire social circle voted for this. Half of them are still riding the grift. Now they are all practicing for their Persilschein.
I think I can understand why someone from Europe or wherever else might flag these stories because they're not interested (...ignoring the whole Greenland elephant in the room for a second), but given that Scott Adams got a massive post on here despite the thread being mostly political shitflinging for obvious reasons it's really lowering my overall opinion of your average HN user. I'm increasingly inclined to say they need to show some information on who's flagging and why, especially if there's a consistent pattern and time of who is doing said flagging.
Some of the posts break thru the wave of people seemingly flagging these stories immediately like the Palantir stories but otherwise your best bet is having show dead on and looking in /Active instead.
Because the people who comment in these threads tend to be mind-killed by politics, and it serves very little purpose to have a threads full of such opinions.
So basically you’re trying to suppress opinions you don’t like or agree with, relevant or not?
Has nothing to do with me agreeing with them or not, they just tend to be low quality/value in general - more noise than signal on all sides.
I’ve been able to have some quality discussions around these issues but I get your perspective. I hope at some point soon, we as a country, can go back to viewing politics as a rational and civil discussion of differences in policy approaches rather than as a tribal team sport or as an excuse to push extremist positions.
"Because the people who comment in these threads tend to be mind-killed by politics".
You are one of the people who replied dude...
its hard to see how the United States recovers from this administration
I do not think it will. The Democratic Party is not an opposition party in its current form. The GOP will likely hold on to power in a fashion consistent with historical authoritarian takeovers.
Given the administration is openly talking about not having elections, I am not sure it can. I am guessing all this chatter about the insurrection act is itself a cover to not have midterms. Will that be enough to spark mass protests and general strikes? I am not sure. I genuinely think the ability for massively violating acts to be normalized quickly is unprecedented. Anything is possible.
There must be a serious bombshell in those Epstein files if he's doing this to prevent release (anyone else notice it's all paused - again) ?
This being flagged feels consistent with the attitudes of Silicon Valley and tech leadership generally.
This is guaranteed to blow up international trade with the US and one thing is for damn sure - that will silicon valley suffer enormously. It does not make sense.
I agree. The US is fast becoming an international pariah. Every policy implemented by this administration is regressive, ill-advised and/or cruel.
The GF and I have had multiple conversations about how all these seemingly intelligent people don't: 1) care about anybody else; 2) realize that this too will negatively affect their lives; and I've come to the conclusion that these people are devoid of empathy, and they are narcissists who view themselves as being too important and powerful to be messed with. They'd never do that to me! That would never happen to me!
It does make sense if they position themselves to take hard power. That’s worth a lot more than money alone and worth losing even large amounts for.
‘“We were there for a check-in and the original officer said, ‘This looks good, I’ll be right back,’” Prokosch said. “And then there was a lot of chaos, and about five officers came out and then they said, ‘We’re going to be taking him back into custody.’ I was like, ‘Really, you want to do this again?’”’
So the judge ruled the original detention unconstitutional, and then they asked him to “check in” as a deceptive ruse to detain him again? The idea being this time it is constitutional?
Correct.
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Anyone want to guess what the end game of lawless secret police is? Because I know what happened last time.
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I think it is relevant to HN users that the US is falling into authoritarianism with seemingly no guardrails to prevent it.