48 comments

  • amarant 20 minutes ago

    Something about this painting is reminiscent of the way I(and I'm sure many others) would paint my comic-book heroes at around that age, albeit perhaps lacking some of Michelangelo's talents and skills.

    This painting makes me feel like the bible was pretty much a comic book to the adolescent Michelangelo, and I like that thought. He later went on to paint the ceiling of a huge temple dedicated to his equivalent of Charles Xavier.

    I bet that felt pretty cool for him =)

      phyzix5761 13 minutes ago

      He hated painting the Sistine Chapel ceiling because he saw himself primarily as a sculptor. You can read some of the graphic language he used to describe his perspective of having to do it. Also, he was constantly in pain and would go temporarily blind from holding his head in certain positions for hours at a time.

      Mouvelie 17 minutes ago

      Fun fact ! Michelangelo hated doing the ceiling thing.

      https://www.dutchfinepaintings.com/michelangelos-sistine-cha...

  • al_borland an hour ago

    Surely this isn’t the first thing he ever painted, but rather the earliest known work that survived?

      andsoitis an hour ago

      Yes probably first known work. The salient point though is that he did this at 12.

  • stavros an hour ago

    Do they mean that he grabbed a paintbrush one day and painted this out of the blue? Or does "painting" here mean "specifically painted on a canvas" or whatever?

      zdc1 39 minutes ago

      I assume by "painting" they mean something akin to "published work" but it very well could just be his earliest "known work".

      lawn 22 minutes ago

      At this time kids spent their lives training under other masters. By this time he's been painting and assisting full time for many years already.

      Still impressive of course, but remember that it's not straightforward to compare how things are today with other time periods.

      bookofjoe an hour ago

      >... it became "the only painting by Michelangelo located anywhere in the Americas, and also just one of four easel paintings attributed to him throughout his entire career," during most of which he disparaged oil painting itself.

        stavros 40 minutes ago

        How does this answer any part of my question?

          andsoitis 32 minutes ago

          This is his first known work. The salient point though is that he did this at 12.

            stavros 30 minutes ago

            Sure, though calling it "first" is misleading. "Earliest known" is the usual term for that.

              andsoitis 28 minutes ago

              Sure. But it is also obvious that you cannot possibly know that he hadn't painted ANYTHING before that.

              All of that misses the forest for the trees, which is he did it at an incredibly young age!

                anonymous908213 12 minutes ago

                It is less obvious than you think. Obvious to you and me, perhaps. But a significant portion of the population genuinely believes that you are born with the talent to just do this like it's nothing, or born with the talent to be a piano prodigy, etc, and as a result never bother to apply themselves, even though with the wealth of educational resources available today anyone[1] could make paintings of this quality if they were to put in the effort to learn. I think that article headlines that reinforce this popular misconception are rather damaging.

                [1] Given the level of pedantry on this site, I suppose I should say "almost anyone", since a small minority of people with severe disabilities may not be able to.

  • owlninja 41 minutes ago

    What a crazy coincidence... I had not been to the Kimbell art musesum that is only about 20 minutes away from me in many years. We had a family outing this weekend to go see the Torlonia Collection exhibit there and this painting was just sitting there in their permanent collection! I even got to listen to the guided tour group that happened to be at that painting as I was walking by.

  • ojciecczas 8 minutes ago

    One thing is to invent such a picture, the other is to copy it almost 1:1 and add some touch, which was the case.

  • worldsavior an hour ago

    Other than the drawing skill here, it's interesting why a kid thinks about demons attacking god. And why demons look like that for him.

      mcgannon2007 an hour ago

      It isn't an original work, but actually a painted version of a famous engraving by Martin Schongauer.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Temptation_of_St_Anthony_(...

        BeaverGoose 16 minutes ago

        The engraving is much better too. Shame we don't appreciate Schongauer as much as Michelangelo.

        basch 39 minutes ago

        I am by no means an expert art historian but I'm not sure I 100% follow the logic of their conclusion.

        "pentimenti, or correction marks, a common indication that “a painting is not a copy, but an original work created with artistic freedom.”"

        How often are they analyzing copies made by 12 year old. Is a 12 year old more likely to have made errors or drifted from the source during the process of the copy? Could the corrections be attempts to bring the painting closer to its source, because it wasnt close enough?

        maxbaines an hour ago

        Thankyou

      gjm11 an hour ago

      It looks like the figure they're attacking is meant to be St Anthony, rather than God.

        sejje 41 minutes ago

        ... The painting is titled "The Torment of St Anthony," and the article didn't forget to include that detail.

      razakel an hour ago

      As the article says, it's based on Schongauer's The Temptation of St. Anthony. There's even a version by Salvador Dali.

        agos 26 minutes ago

        there's a cool background to Dali's Temptation of St. Anthony.

        In 1946, 11 surrealist painters were asked to submit a painting to be used in a film (Albert Lewin's "The Private Affairs of Bel Ami"). Among the contestants were Max Ernst (who won), Leonora Carrington, Dalì, Stanley Spencer, Dorothea Tanning. Among the judges was Marcel Duchamp. The painting is then shown in color - the only color scene in an otherwise black and white movie.

        I think the reason why they specifically wanted the temptation of Saint Anthony had to do with censorship, but sadly I can't remember the details

        Oarch 27 minutes ago

        There are many versions, it's a popular theme. I saw 4 or 5 together in the Museum of Western Art in Tokyo recently.

      dabluecaboose an hour ago

      At this point in his life, Michaelangelo was probably apprenticed to Ghirlandaio. This wasn't a freeform doodle, but likely something of a homework assignment. It was common for young artists to be given famous works to copy, or common religious scenes to remake.

      lacunary an hour ago

      It's just a reflection of his education. Even today, many children are raised with religious education that includes stories of demons attacking people. Kids love scary stuff; monsters, battle, etc.

      gwbas1c an hour ago

      It makes me wonder what his home environment was like where he could put such detail into a painting. Something like that isn't made in an afternoon or weekend; and it definitely requires parents to provide resources and moral support.

      Maken an hour ago

      Demons look like that in Medieval and Renaissance paintings. "Red dude with horns" didn't become the standard depiction of demons until much later.

        williamdclt an hour ago

        In modern representations, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find red-dude-with-horns. Seems like we shifted towards hot-dude-with-something-off (Lucifer series, Good Omens), when we do see red-dude-with-horns I feel like it's meant to be somewhat ironic/on-the-nose (south park, preacher).

          dahart 7 minutes ago

          Hehe, not that that hard pressed. IMDB has a whole horned-demon category keyword: https://m.imdb.com/search/title/?keywords=horned-demon&explo.... And those results don’t even include South Park, nor Hellboy. If I Google image search for “Satan” I get nothing but red horned demons for pages.

          There have always been wolf-in-sheep’s-clothing stories about The Devil too, it’s just a separate category.

      lotsofpulp 40 minutes ago

      12 years old is pretty old for a kid. I remember trying to reason through my grandparents’ religious beliefs at or before age 9, and they had taught me about lots of different demons, gods, etc.

  • pstuart an hour ago

    I wonder how many Michelangelos we'd have today if we didn't have electronic distraction devices and only had old school tech for "entertainment"

      adrianN 9 minutes ago

      Children today are expected to go to school and get a well rounded education. They don’t start specializing as apprentice to some master at an early age

      TheCycoONE an hour ago

      Most of human history we didn't have electronic distraction devices and we have one Michelangelo; the answer is probably not as many as the question implies.

      postalrat 5 minutes ago

      They are busy making other stuff. Its OK if you don't appreciate their work.

      Ekaros an hour ago

      I don't think there is that significant amount of artists that do not draw because entertainment. Artist communities online are doing pretty fine. There might not be enough money for all of them, but drawing is still popular enough hobby.

      zppln an hour ago

      Also consider the tools and materials available today. I don't know much about Michelangelo, but I imagine people's opportunity for sheer iteration (due to availability of qualitys pens, pappers, ink etc) is magnitudes higher (and cheaper) today.

      adventured an hour ago

      They're making art all around you. Some of them are extraordinarily famous.

      Movies, video games, music.

      lotsofpulp 43 minutes ago

      There are plenty, but the value of Michelangelo’s brand is in its’ scarcity.

  • agumonkey 44 minutes ago

    well the man would have loved to have a chat with H.P. Lovecraft it seems

  • fwip an hour ago

    I'm inclined to agree with the commenter on the article.

  • LegitShady an hour ago

    Not his first painting. Nobody picks up a brush for the first time and paints like that. Not an original work either. Just a practice masterstudy, one of many many many he'd made up to that point I'm sure.

      speff 37 minutes ago

      It's impressive that he did it at 12, but like you said, he had years of focused practice under his belt before he did this one. Anyone can do this level of work - they just need to actually learn it. It doesn't require someone be born with talent.

      Articles like this contribute towards the gatekeeping feeling people get about the arts in my opinion.

      frikskit 8 minutes ago

      You shouldn’t be getting downvoted. If people would read the article they’d see it’s not an original.