> The [Fourth] amendment is meant to protect Americans from unreasonable searches or seizures of their property by the government.
Much more than that! It reads:
> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Seizure includes, for the sake of example, physical violence and, more specifically, shooting people in the head.
The irony I see here is that she is relatively young. By making these declarations, she and others in this administration are making an implicit bet that there won't be another sensible e.g. law-abiding administration in the future that won't put them in jail.
Politics is a fickle world -- being brazen by breaking laws is a risky business. You might be in charge now, but are you sure your people will always be in charge?
It is ICE (not the police) that is harassing people, and why should anyone need to carry proof of citizenship?
Further, even if you have proof of citizenship, what makes you think you'll be asked for it, rather than just being shoved into an SUV? There have been numerous citizens that were detained:
And being detained may be for the fortunate case: many US citizens have been deported. Without trial. With an opportunity to show evidence that they are in fact citizens.
This is why protecting due process for non-citizens, illegal or otherwise, is important: if there is no due process, then the government can simply claim you are not one, and ship you off to who knows where.
America, in all trappings as well as in policy, is nearing becoming a soviet economy. This administration has already pushed more straight up socialist policies than nearly any before it.
At this rate, America is going follow suit and be just as worried about keeping people IN the country as it is keeping people OUT.
What socialist policies? Did we get free healthcare or free higher education or subsidized government housing and food and I somehow missed all of that? Did the government suddenly start focusing on economic inequality first and foremost and eliminated all institutional racism?
The US as it stands right exhibits quite a few hallmarks of fascism rather socialism: amalgamation of the capital and the state, marginalization of minorities, an extreme abuse of power, extreme nationalism. One of the tenets of socialism is that the worker class has no state, that it can only work if the workers of all nations unite, that's the exact opposite of nationalism.
the only common thing I can think of between the soviet flavor of socialism and Trump's administration is that both are authoritarian.
The government is taking equity stakes in corporations. It's anti-trade and anti-business. It's picking winners and losers in the economy.
In a lot of ways we are tangibly shifting to a soviet style centrally planned economy, just without all of the welfare (which, to be fair, the actual soviet economies were bad at providing).
> The [Fourth] amendment is meant to protect Americans from unreasonable searches or seizures of their property by the government.
Much more than that! It reads:
> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Seizure includes, for the sake of example, physical violence and, more specifically, shooting people in the head.
Do you really think these people care what the constitution says about anything?
The irony I see here is that she is relatively young. By making these declarations, she and others in this administration are making an implicit bet that there won't be another sensible e.g. law-abiding administration in the future that won't put them in jail.
Politics is a fickle world -- being brazen by breaking laws is a risky business. You might be in charge now, but are you sure your people will always be in charge?
We care and that matters. A lot.
Papers please
You know who else liked to make people show their papers?
Not so harsh. A bit more nuanced like in this movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_in_East_L.A._(film)
Chong:) Look here el fago, watch my lips Where were ya born?
(Cheech:) I was BORN IN EAST L.A. Man, I was BORN IN EAST L.A.
(Chong:) Oh yeah, you were BORN IN EAST L.A. Let's see your green card
(Cheech:) Huh? Green card? I'm from East LA
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What kind of low quality logic is this?
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It is ICE (not the police) that is harassing people, and why should anyone need to carry proof of citizenship?
Further, even if you have proof of citizenship, what makes you think you'll be asked for it, rather than just being shoved into an SUV? There have been numerous citizens that were detained:
* https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...
And being detained may be for the fortunate case: many US citizens have been deported. Without trial. With an opportunity to show evidence that they are in fact citizens.
This is why protecting due process for non-citizens, illegal or otherwise, is important: if there is no due process, then the government can simply claim you are not one, and ship you off to who knows where.
Always remember that Krisi Noem shoots dogs.
America, in all trappings as well as in policy, is nearing becoming a soviet economy. This administration has already pushed more straight up socialist policies than nearly any before it.
At this rate, America is going follow suit and be just as worried about keeping people IN the country as it is keeping people OUT.
What socialist policies? Did we get free healthcare or free higher education or subsidized government housing and food and I somehow missed all of that? Did the government suddenly start focusing on economic inequality first and foremost and eliminated all institutional racism?
The US as it stands right exhibits quite a few hallmarks of fascism rather socialism: amalgamation of the capital and the state, marginalization of minorities, an extreme abuse of power, extreme nationalism. One of the tenets of socialism is that the worker class has no state, that it can only work if the workers of all nations unite, that's the exact opposite of nationalism.
the only common thing I can think of between the soviet flavor of socialism and Trump's administration is that both are authoritarian.
The government is taking equity stakes in corporations. It's anti-trade and anti-business. It's picking winners and losers in the economy.
In a lot of ways we are tangibly shifting to a soviet style centrally planned economy, just without all of the welfare (which, to be fair, the actual soviet economies were bad at providing).
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