It varies in the US. Some places are like that, some are happy to have people leave at 5 and enjoy their life.
FWIW, when I read this exact story on reddit a few days ago, that poster sent the email thread to HR, HR read the US-based manager the riot act, and it was never mentioned again.
As a euro, living and working in the US, it is, unfortunately, how it sometimes rolls. It's all wrong. If someone is working "out of timezone", a decent manager should know, respect, and accommodate that. Good ones will. It's just them doing their proper job. Unfortunately, it doesn't always happen that way.
We have IC's scattered all over Europe and we know that their day is their day. They start early and they end when they end. They have lives. Some companies don't understand that. And some managers are idiots; but I suppose they have bosses too. Honestly, me simply saying that you have a bad manager is depressing to me, and unhelpful for you. But, that seems the crux of the matter. It'd be funny to ask for a meeting at 5AM EST, just as you hit mid-morning. But, that probably won't end well.
You're probably going to have a convo with the manager, and as diplomatically as possible, establish some ground rules. My advice, knowing nothing, is to stay away from the blast that might occur when a boss gets bossy.
I think it’s size/culture dependent. At my small-medium “telecom adjacent but not big tech” company, I work 8 hours and log off. If they were to ask why I didn’t respond I’d say “I logged off after working my 8 hours” and that would be that.
I worked at companies in Paris where it’d be considered "uncommitted" as well, if done consistently. Especially in "small" companies (let’s say fewer than than 20 people). I guess it’s a matter of company culture.
It varies in the US. Some places are like that, some are happy to have people leave at 5 and enjoy their life.
FWIW, when I read this exact story on reddit a few days ago, that poster sent the email thread to HR, HR read the US-based manager the riot act, and it was never mentioned again.
As a euro, living and working in the US, it is, unfortunately, how it sometimes rolls. It's all wrong. If someone is working "out of timezone", a decent manager should know, respect, and accommodate that. Good ones will. It's just them doing their proper job. Unfortunately, it doesn't always happen that way.
We have IC's scattered all over Europe and we know that their day is their day. They start early and they end when they end. They have lives. Some companies don't understand that. And some managers are idiots; but I suppose they have bosses too. Honestly, me simply saying that you have a bad manager is depressing to me, and unhelpful for you. But, that seems the crux of the matter. It'd be funny to ask for a meeting at 5AM EST, just as you hit mid-morning. But, that probably won't end well.
You're probably going to have a convo with the manager, and as diplomatically as possible, establish some ground rules. My advice, knowing nothing, is to stay away from the blast that might occur when a boss gets bossy.
It is altogether much too common here. In general appearance takes priority over substance.
I think it’s size/culture dependent. At my small-medium “telecom adjacent but not big tech” company, I work 8 hours and log off. If they were to ask why I didn’t respond I’d say “I logged off after working my 8 hours” and that would be that.
I worked at companies in Paris where it’d be considered "uncommitted" as well, if done consistently. Especially in "small" companies (let’s say fewer than than 20 people). I guess it’s a matter of company culture.
Sounds like an insecure manager with a lack of experience in intercultural settings.
Go to China, 996 means your totally uncommitted.