The compiler is your best friend

41 points | by based2 2 hours ago

20 comments

  • LegionMammal978 an hour ago

    > How many times did you leave a comment on some branch of code stating "this CANNOT happen" and thrown an exception? Did you ever find yourself surprised when eventually it did happen? I know I did, since then I at least add some logs even if I think I'm sure that it really cannot happen.

    I'm not sure what the author expects the program to do when there's an internal logic error that has no known cause and no definite recovery path. Further down the article, the author suggests bubbling up the error with a result type, but you can only bubble it up so far before you have to get rid of it one way or another. Unless you bubble everything all the way to the top, but then you've just reinvented unchecked exceptions.

    At some level, the simplest thing to do is to give up and crash if things are no longer sane. After all, there's no guarantee that 'unreachable' recovery paths won't introduce further bugs or vulnerabilities. Logging can typically be done just fine within a top-level exception handler or panic handler in many languages.

      skydhash an hour ago

      A comment "this CANNOT happen" has no value on itself. Unless you've formally verified the code (including its dependencies) and have the proof linked, such comments may as well be wishes and prayers.

      Yes, sometimes, the compiler or the hardware have bugs that violate the premises you're operating on, but that's rare. But most non pure algorithms (side effects and external systems) have documented failure cases.

        JohnFen 41 minutes ago

        > A comment "this CANNOT happen" has no value on itself.

        I think it does have some value: it makes clear an assumption the programmer made. I always appreciate it when I encounter comments that clarify assumptions made.

          addaon 32 minutes ago

          But if you spell that `assert(false)` instead of as a comment, the intent is equally clear, but the behavior when you're wrong is well-defined.

            JohnFen 29 minutes ago

            I agree that including that assert along with the comment is much better. But the comment alone is better than nothing, so isn't without value.

            eterm 29 minutes ago

            Better yet, `assert(false, message)`, with the message what you would have written in the comment.

              addaon 27 minutes ago

              `assert(false)` is pronounced "this can never happen." It's reasonable to add a comment with /why/ this can never happen, but if that's all the comment would have said, a message adds no value.

                eterm 21 minutes ago

                Oh I agree, literally `assert(false, "This cannot happen")` is useless, but ensuring message is always there encourages something more like, `assert(false, "This implies the Foo is Barred, but we have the Qux to make sure it never is")`.

                Ensuring a message encourages people to state the assumptions that are violated, rather than just asserting that their assumptions (which?) don't hold.

          skydhash 33 minutes ago

          Such comments rot so rapidly that they're an antipattern. Such assumptions are dangerous and I would point it out in a PR.

            LegionMammal978 28 minutes ago

            Do you not make such a tacit assumption every time you index into an array (which in almost all languages throws an exception on bounds failure)? You always have to make assumptions that things stay consistent from one statement to the next, at least locally. Unless you use formal verification, but hardly anyone has the time and resources for that.

              skydhash 16 minutes ago

              If such an error happens, that would be a compiler bug. Why? Because I usually do checks against the length of the array or have it done as part of the standard functions like `map`. I don't write such assumptions unless I'm really sure about the statements, and even then I don't.

        AnimalMuppet a minute ago

        Worse: You may created the proof. You may have linked to the proof. But if anyone has touched any of the code involved since then, it still has no value unless someone has re-done the proof and linked that. (Worse, it has negative value, because it can mislead.)

      the__alchemist 30 minutes ago

      This is what rust's `unreachable()!` is for... and I feel hubris whenever I use it.

      GabrielBRAA 36 minutes ago

      Heh, recently I had to fix a bug in some code that had one of these comments. Feels like a sign of bad code or laziness. Why make a path that should not happen? I can get it when it's on some while loop that should find something to return, but on a if else sequence it feels really wrong.

  • barishnamazov 2 minutes ago

    The "lies" described here are essentially the definition of weakly typed programming, even in statically typed languages.

    Functional languages like ML/Haskell/Lisp dialects has no lies built in for decades, and it's good to see the mainstream programming (Java, TS, C++, etc.) to catch up as well.

    There are also cute benefits of having strong schemas for your API as well -- for example, that endpoint becomes an MCP for LLMs automatically.

  • kridsdale1 43 minutes ago

    I really like modern Swift. It makes a lot of what this author is complaining about, impossible.

    The worst file I ever inherited to work on was the ObjC class for Instagram’s User Profile page. It looked like it’d been written by a JavaScript fan. There were no types in the whole file, everything was an ‘id’ (aka void*) and there were ‘isKindOfClass’ and null checks all over the place. I wanted to quit when I saw it. (I soon did).

  • skydhash an hour ago

    The whole article gives a generated vibe, but I did want to point out this particular snippet

    > The compiler is always angry. It's always yelling at us for no good reason. It's only happy when we surrender to it and do what it tells us to do. Why do we agree to such an abusive relationship?

    Programming languages are a formal notation for the execution steps of a computing machine. A formal system is always built around rules and not following the rules is an error, in this case a malformed statement/expression. It's like writing: afjdla lkwcn oqbcn. Yes, they are characters, but they're not english words.

    Apart from the syntax, which is a formal system on its own, the compiler may have additional rules (like a type system). And you can add even more rules with a static analysis tool (linter). Even though there may be false positives, failing one of those usually means that what you wrote is meaningless in some way. It may run, but it can have unexpected behavior.

    Natural language have a lot of tolerance for ambiguous statements (which people may not be aware of if they share the same metaphor set). But a computer has none. You either follow the rules or you do not and have an error.

      xnorswap an hour ago

      I also don't like that phrasing. It's like complaining of guard-rails while running around erratically.

      The guard rails aren't abusing you, they're helping you. They aren't "angry", they're just constraints.

        scubbo 3 minutes ago

        Right, and I suspect that was the author's intent - to evoke a sympathetic frustration that newer programmers might feel, and then to point out how the frustration is ill-aimed.

  • mock-possum 42 minutes ago

    Hello baader meinhoff my old friend - while I’m familiar with the convention, I was just introduced formally to the phrase “functional core, imperative shell” the other day, and now here it is again.

    “Learn to stop worrying and love the bomb” was definitely a process I had to go through moving from JavaScript to Typescript, but I do mostly agree with the author here wrt convention. Some things, like using type names as additional levels of context - UserUUID and ItemUUID each alias UUID, which in turn is just an alias for String - have occurred to me naturally, even.